FF mask recommendation?

Xian · Post by **Xian** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:35 pm

After 2 months of treatment and still not feeling significantly better, I am ready to try a full face mask and figure out if mouth leaks are the issue (I do not have the usual symptoms of dry mouth or noise during sleep, but my leak rates have been about 15-20% higher than expected, without sign of mask leakage...)

I have a smaller head than most (Breeze mask was too large, even at the smallest setting) and I have a goatee (trimmed very short). Face shape is on the round side (yes, I am about 20-30 lbs overweight!).

Any recommendation for a full face mask? (I currently tolerate the Optilife medium sized nasal pillow, and I just received my Bravo! but did not do well on the first night, small pillows being too small, and medium too large... will try again over the weekend)

I will probably offer my Comfortlite 2 at the mask roulette for a FF mask, but I'd rather know what to ask for in advance!

Thank you for your feedback.

Xian
PS: I know it is hard to recommend a mask, and I am not expecting miracles, just POV's (and some humor, of course)

sleepyred · Post by **sleepyred** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:07 pm

I just got a Resmed quattro yesterday - last night was my 1st night on a full face mask that I actually kept on all night! I mouth breathe, use chin straps, and have been grinding my teeth trying to keep my mouth shut!

Will give a better review of the mask when I've tried it for a few nights, but so far - I like it!

Sleepyred

Janine · Post by **Janine** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:19 pm

I have had the quattro for over a week, and really like it. I got an xs because I have a small face (only xs thing in my wardrobe!). I also like the Ultra Mirage, but I think that the Quattro is better, since it is more adjustable. SO people have had problems with leaks, but my leak rate is normal for the mask and with some adjusting, I have had no large leaks and my AHI last night was 2.2. Definitely worth trying on!

jennmary · Post by **jennmary** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:38 pm

I love my UMFF. Leak rate was terrific. AHI was only at 4, AI was 0. HI was 4.
It is comfortable for me. I also want to try the quatro but I hear that it is wider at the bottom....and I am a side sleeper. The UMFF is just the right size that I can comfortably side sleep and not worry about it.
This is my first mask.....and I am in hurry to get another. (though I do keep browsing...kind of like looking at cars in the classifieds even though you have a new BMW in the driveway. lol)
I might eventually try the quattro....just to try something new.

Xian · Post by **Xian** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:19 am

Thank you all for your feedbacks.
I've only had nasal pillows so far, so the hybrid seems like a good compromise to try dealing with mouth leaking...
To be continued..

tillymarigold · Post by **tillymarigold** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:48 am

I absolutely love my Hybrid *but* be warned, a lot of people find it leaks too much.

Janine · Post by **Janine** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:28 pm

jennmary wrote: .... I also want to try the quatro but I hear that it is wider at the bottom....and I am a side sleeper. ....

Yes, it is wide and for me, also a side sleeper, it is a bit annoying. I am going to try my UM again for a while and see what kind of difference there is in my sleep (and my neck, which is not that happy with my head angle on the pillow now!). But other than that, I do find the Q quite comfortable.

sleepyred · Post by **sleepyred** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:24 pm

But I find that even if it is a little wider - I don't get the leaks at the cheeks!

So far, so good for me. I took a nap and had zero leaks for the 1st time! It was only for 1 hour, so I did not get into a deep sleep, nor did my face get sweaty. But so far, I love the quattro much better than the UMFF mask which I could not get to quit leaking. But I was using one size too big - so I'm going to try a small when I can!

Janine wrote:
jennmary wrote: .... I also want to try the quatro but I hear that it is wider at the bottom....and I am a side sleeper. ....[/quote}

Yes, it is wide and for me, also a side sleeper, it is a bit annoying. I am going to try my UM again for a while and see what kind of difference there is in my sleep (and my neck, which is not that happy with my head angle on the pillow now!). But other than that, I do find the Q quite comfortable.

Janine · Post by **Janine** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:19 pm

Well, I tried to UMFF again last night for a while, and went back to the Q. The cheek is wider on the Q, but the forehead piece on UMFF is way wider than the Q and I found that to be more of a problem. I put on the Q and had it leak free in seconds, and after a couple of minutes I was still fiddling with the UMFF.

And my UMFF is small and Quattro an XS, so fitting is an issue. I am so glad they brought the Q out in XS!

lvwildcat · Post by **lvwildcat** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:55 am

Before my Oracle I used the F/P Flexifit 431. It worked for me because it sits underneath the chin and that helped to keep my leak rate at a minimum

cwsanfor · Post by **cwsanfor** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:22 pm

Xian,

As you can see by my sig, I'm a mask collector, and FF-only guy, but I can't really give you much useful advice. It's been all trial and error. I am very fortunate in my insurance coverage (no limit on masks at all).

The CF2, Quattro, and HC432 are my best masks, in that order. I only rotate into the Hybrid if I have a nasal bridge mishap.

I'm trying to quit this mask'o'the month stuff, but even now, I'm sitting here thinking that maybe the Hans Rudolph would somehow be like the kiss of an angel for me, knowing that it won't be. But I'll probably get around to it as well, in a weak moment.

I envy the folks who get handed a Breeze or whatnot and never need another mask. At least my go-to mask is a cheap one; about as good of a break as you get in this business.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:25 am

F&P HC431 is great. Under-chin design, glider strap for stability when tossing and turning side to side, etc. I put it on, and that's that. Full night's sleep, zero leaks, awaken next morning and take it off. No problems at all. It's wonderful.

salsleepsolutions · Post by **salsleepsolutions** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:40 am

The leaking from the Quattro seems to be more of a "hissing" after a few days in the lab. We're not sure, but it may be in the design. We had the exact same problem with the new Liberty, although the mouth area seems to be a little too small for some patients, causing leaks. There's a good bit of nasal pressure from the trampoline affect with the liberty that seems to be the cause of some discomfort. The Hybrid still seem to be very well accepted and has new reimbursement the first of next month.
There are some easy fixes that may work for the Quattro that I can post this afternoon.

sleepyred · Post by **sleepyred** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:58 am

Who do you work for? If you know any fixes for the quattro - please share!

salsleepsolutions wrote:The leaking from the Quattro seems to be more of a "hissing" after a few days in the lab. We're not sure, but it may be in the design. We had the exact same problem with the new Liberty, although the mouth area seems to be a little too small for some patients, causing leaks. There's a good bit of nasal pressure from the trampoline affect with the liberty that seems to be the cause of some discomfort. The Hybrid still seem to be very well accepted and has new reimbursement the first of next month.
There are some easy fixes that may work for the Quattro that I can post this afternoon.

tangents · Post by **tangents** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:40 pm

Tillymarigold said:

I absolutely love my Hybrid *but* be warned, a lot of people find it leaks too much.

I'm saving mine for summer - it makes a great air conditioner!

Cathy

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