Tried the Ivory Soap Bar under Sheet for RLS

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:09 pm

Snoredog,

LOL. Can I please just use the gentle paper tape the mouth breathers use?

Now I'm scheming - hmmm, 2 pairs of pj's with the legs sewed together filled with soap shavings - like leg gloves. Naw... soap sized pockets on my pants would be better. Hey, if the pockets were on the back of my legs, I couldn't sleep on my back and it would help my OSA too!

Snoredog, Costco should put you on their payroll.

My gut says this is just plain silly. My desperation says what's to lose - you'll always need a bath. And my next job could be doing clinical trials since P&G is local. Sure hope they didn't sell that brand off - something sounds familiar about that.

Kathy

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:21 pm

Kathy,

The article that Sleeping Beauty put up talks about soap relieving both leg cramps and RLS. I like the idea of soap pockets in my pants That way I'll be sure to be covered!

I figured, what the heck - it can't make it worse (my severe RLS) and maybe it will make it better. The article said don't use Dove or Dial - wonder if the doc isn't on their payroll :LOL:

Lots of empirical stories out there from my "bad night" post so I figured why not try it. At least my sheets will smell good

My PLMs were 70+ after they put the CPAP on me - no wonder no Delta sleep

Sometimes there's some truth to old wive's tales and sometimes snake oil salesmen get lucky and their cures really work! As long as it only costs me $1 or less to try I'm game...

Good sleeping everyone!

Linda

whatrdreamsmadeof · Post by **whatrdreamsmadeof** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:24 pm

Hey Keteague
Let's do the tape thing and give those new Dove models a run for the money!!!!!!!!!!!! I have severe RLS, so Ivory here I come......Ellen

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:26 pm

kteague wrote:Say what?!?!?!?

I must have been sleeping and missed the prior discussions! So... some are saying RLS, some are saying leg cramps - I am more than a little perplexed as to how the popular floating soap could possibly make a difference.

My issue is severe PLMD. If it works for me we'd better all hurry up and buy stock in Procter & Gamble before the word spreads.

Kathy

I'm going to strap a few bars of Ivory on my legs and arms, then if I have a bad night of Rainout, I'll float to the top. Jim

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:49 pm

whatrdreamsmadeof - That'd be a whole lot of tape before I let the camera near me!

Jim - Love it!

Kathy

Goofy-guest · Post by **Goofy-guest** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:42 pm

TXKajun wrote:I'm glad to see I'm not the only one getting relief from nightly cramps in my legs by this rather unusual method. I've been doing this now for about 3 weeks.

Now, for those times when the cramps do happen, I've found that drinking a shot of dill pickle juice (1 - 1.5 oz) or taking a tsp of yellow mustard gets rid of the cramp almost immediately. Don't ask me why it works, but it does!

Sweet dreams, ya'll!
Kajun

Its well known that Andy Reed, the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles has his players drink pickle juice before every game, and they've been a winning team for several years! I used to drink pickle juice too, as a result, and felt pretty good with it. But, I had to stop after my MI because of the sodium content.

But for those who can, by all means, DRINK UP!!!

Cheers!

Chuck

blarg · Post by **blarg** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:58 pm

Goofy-guest wrote:...the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles has his players drink pickle juice before every game, and they've been a winning team for several years!

Correlation is not causation.

By all means drink the salt pile if you want, just sayin'.

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 11:01 pm

if you drink pickle juice and feel better you are most likely dehydrated.

The Eagles article from WebMD:

Sept. 19, 2000 -- While training over the long, hot summer, pickle juice was the Philadelphia Eagles' first line of defense against heat cramps. Since then, other NFL and college teams have picked up on the power of the pickle. But does it work for amateur athletes? Maybe, but experts advise you to drink lots of other fluids, too.

Pickle popularity perked up when the Eagles' head trainer, Rick Burkholder, used his secret weapon on the Dallas Cowboys. The unrelenting Texas heat affected only a few of the Eagles, yet, many of the acclimatized Cowboys had to sit out. In fact, Philadelphia running back Duce Staley rushed for more than 200 yards, breaking a 50-year-old record.

His impressive performance even prompted a potentially prosperous partnership. Soon after the Dallas game, Vlasic Foods announced that it would supply pickles to the team, properly pairing two venerable Philly birds -- the Eagle and the Stork. Lately, even Bulldogs have been seen sipping the briny beverage at the University of Georgia in Athens.

But just what gives pickle power its punch? "It's all about salt," says sports medicine specialist Lewis Maharam, MD, who serves as medical director of the New York Marathon. "You lose a lot of salt from your blood when you sweat, which can cause cramping in hot and humid conditions. And pickle brine has much more salt than traditional sports drinks."

Still, "salt loading" with pickle juice is only an adjunct to good hydration, Maharam tells WebMD. "Pickle juice is a port in a storm during the summer months, but it's definitely not a replacement for sports drinks. Before marathons, I just advise athletes to add salt to their food," he explains. At Nashville's Vanderbilt University, football team physician Kurt Spindler, MD, orders salt tablets for the training table.

But other experts say you may not need extra salt at all. "While acclimatizing to heat and humidity, adding salt to food might not be a bad idea," says Douglas Casa, PhD, ATC, an assistant professor of kinesiology and director of athletic training education at the University of Connecticut in Stours. "But low sodium isn't the only factor in heat cramps."

As lead author of the National Athletic Trainers' Association position paper on fluid replacement, Casa tells WebMD that fatigue also comes into play. "It's very possible that the Eagles were just better conditioned than the Cowboys," he says, suggesting a reason for the team's recent away-game success.

Even so, drinking pickle juice while you're working up a sweat probably isn't harmful, unless you happen to be on a salt-restricted diet. But does the potion really pack a power punch for perspiring players?

"I've gotten a lot of questions about pickle brine in the last few weeks, but it's not a panacea. The Eagles are just adding two ounces to sports drinks, and I'm not at all sure that a placebo effect can be ruled out," says Casa, explaining that the athletes who are downing the salty stuff may just think it's enhancing their performance.

"The best way to prevent cramps during competition is to drink plenty of fluids before and during the event, especially in the summertime," he advises. But in preparing for battle, perennial pickle partakers Napoleon Bonaparte, George Washington, and Vince Lombardi couldn't all have been wrong.

Lyza · Post by **Lyza** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:22 am

Well I missed this topic completely until a couple days ago, so I put the bar of soap in the bed last night... Unfortunately for me no change with the RLS. Maybe Irish Spring needs to be added to the list of soaps not to use? LOL... Its still there, maybe tonight will be different.

Maybe those of you using this trick with apparent success could list the brands you are using?

Oh I also drink pickle juice all the time, just cuz it tastes good.. Sometimes I don't even bother eating the pickles just drink the juice.. Yea i'm weird like that.

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:15 am

Ok, call me impressionable, gullible - whatever you want to call me this morning. But while you're at it, call me more rested. Now, don't go out and buy a case of Ivory on my recommendation, because I can have occasional nights that aren't too tortuous, but for a while now, they've all been bad.

In the little over six hours I woke up once for a potty run (took my water pill real late) and was kinda half awake a couple times trying to determine if there were any signs of leg movements. When I got out of bed and walked to my computer, there was no usual limping and moaning. All I feel is a slight "drawing" sensation around my knees that I get before sleep that let's me know it's going to be a rough night. (Guess it's like how I've read that auras preceed migraines.) Can't say what happened in my sleep, but usually the movements wake me and in a half awake state I can feel them.

Anyhow, I placed 4 open bars of Ivory along where my legs lay and at my feet. (Kroger had a 12 pack on sale for $3.33) While on the phone last night with my older cousin, we discussed this, and she asked if I couldn't just rub the dry bar over my legs before going to bed, so shoot, I did that too.

I'm going to give it a few days then download my data to see if my sleep pattern really is showing longer blocks of sleep. If this was a fleeting "convinced myself" night, I'll still be glad for a night's relief, and try to convince myself tonight.

But like I said, don't rush out and buy Ivory today because of my post. Almost didn't want to own up to even trying it. Will repost in a few days to tell if I can duplicate the experience with any consistency.

Kathy

tater pie · Post by **tater pie** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:23 pm

I keep Ivory Soap in the house all the time so I thought I would give it a try. After all, what have I got to lose! Tried it the first time Wednesday night. No success. I tried it again last night and still nothing. Maybe I'm not using enough soap. I'll use more tonight and see what happens.

Snoozing Gonzo · Post by **Snoozing Gonzo** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:29 pm

Many years ago, on advice from friend, my grandfather placed relatively large (fist sized) magnets a the foot of the bed to relieve night cramping in his legs. He was very conservative, never one for trying such stuff, but was desperate with pain. He said the magnets worked for him and he even took them along when traveling. There didn't have to be a scientific reason, it worked for him so he continued.

How much easier it would have been for him (and my grandmother) to just sleep with couple bars of soap rather than a couple pounds of metal!

Chris

Offerocker · Post by **Offerocker** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:43 pm

Goofy-guest wrote: Its well known that Andy Reed, the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles has his players drink pickle juice before every game, and they've been a winning team for several years! I used to drink pickle juice too, as a result, and felt pretty good with it. But, I had to stop after my MI because of the sodium content.

But for those who can, by all means, DRINK UP!!!

Cheers!

Chuck

Perhaps, if they DIDN'T drink it, they would be "IN A PICKLE"???

Could it be the vinegar?

Sleepy Dog Lover · Post by **Sleepy Dog Lover** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:26 pm

Karen, are you still having success with the soap? I'm thinking of trying it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:40 pm

This is a very interesting thread. I am going to try the ivory for my legs. Is there any info about ivory and interfaces lol?
Should I be thinking of taping a bar of ivory soap on the interface too and maybe mine would stay put?

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