WHY HARD PLASTIC MASKS? DOES THIS THING REALLY WORK?
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WHY HARD PLASTIC MASKS? DOES THIS THING REALLY WORK?
I am a relative CPAP user newbie (11 days old!) It has been a HUGE struggle for me as I am terribly claustrophic
and during the last sleep titration the disinfectant in the mask I was allergic to and developed a horrid sinus infection. I have been wrestling
with using the machine each night ( it's an AutoSpirit humidied unit - very good unit) because of the stupid mask setup. I finally had to go with
a "full face" mask covering both nose and mouth to get any comfort at all.
My question is: Why not make masks totally out of soft materials instead of so much hard plastic!? I feel like
Darth Vader - not a good feeling. In my family people on breathing machines DIE - not live.
Emotionally I am really struggling. I have yet to
experience 1 single full night's sleep of at least 8 uninterrupted hours - I would go for 7 or even 6. Does this thing really work?
and during the last sleep titration the disinfectant in the mask I was allergic to and developed a horrid sinus infection. I have been wrestling
with using the machine each night ( it's an AutoSpirit humidied unit - very good unit) because of the stupid mask setup. I finally had to go with
a "full face" mask covering both nose and mouth to get any comfort at all.
My question is: Why not make masks totally out of soft materials instead of so much hard plastic!? I feel like
Darth Vader - not a good feeling. In my family people on breathing machines DIE - not live.
Emotionally I am really struggling. I have yet to
experience 1 single full night's sleep of at least 8 uninterrupted hours - I would go for 7 or even 6. Does this thing really work?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Hybrid with the chin-flap removed is, by
far, the lightest full-face mask available. Furthermore, you can wear your
glasses with it.
You might fill out your profile with more information, such as, titrated
pressure, machine settings, and mask model. This will usually result
with some good tips from those with similar equipment.
Do you have problems on inhale, exhale, mask pressure points, etc?
Please hang in there. The very nice people on the forum will help you.
far, the lightest full-face mask available. Furthermore, you can wear your
glasses with it.
You might fill out your profile with more information, such as, titrated
pressure, machine settings, and mask model. This will usually result
with some good tips from those with similar equipment.
Do you have problems on inhale, exhale, mask pressure points, etc?
Please hang in there. The very nice people on the forum will help you.
+ Aussie heated hose.
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People have more fun than anybody..
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People have more fun than anybody..
These hard plastic masks
Hi. Got off to a rough start, heh?! You've probably read enough on here to know that it is not uncommon to start off with multiple difficulties, which is why there is such a high dropout rate with this therapy. There's only one 100% statistic - of all those who do succeed, 100% of them didn't give up.
Success may look different to different people, although ideally it would mean one's apneas and hyponeas are therapeutically treated, proper sleep is restored, and the mind and body recover from the trauma of sleep apnea. For you, a comfortable mask and 6 to 7 hours sleep would make you pretty happy at this stage in the treatment. Until you reach your ultimate goals, don't overlook the incremental successes along the way. For a claustrophobic person to be able to put on a full face mask is an accomplishment. To be able to even go to sleep with the mask on is another.
I'm not sure why you ended up with a full face mask - I'm sure you had your reasons. But there are nasal masks made of soft pliable materials. I usually use pillows myself. Ten years from now we may look at the hardshell masks like dinosaurs, but even among FF masks, they are very different. What you are using may not be the most comfortable one for you. Ask your provider to show you the several different models.
Do they work? Well, all masks are not alike, but the therapy itself is not only provable by many testimonials (which you can read on here), but by hard data. I have the same machine you have. Do you look at your data on the screen in the mornings to see how you are doing? I found that most motivational for me. It helps me avoid the frustration of feeling like I'm floundering around in the dark not knowing what to do next.
Sorry I have no hard and fast solutions to offer. I've been at this for over a year and can't say I've reached my ultimate goals. But the progress I've made, the long-time-coming but remarkable improvement in how I feel and function, and the security of feeling safe when I go to sleep are enough to keep me at this. So I have to say, "It works for me."
Hope it soon works for you.
Kathy
Success may look different to different people, although ideally it would mean one's apneas and hyponeas are therapeutically treated, proper sleep is restored, and the mind and body recover from the trauma of sleep apnea. For you, a comfortable mask and 6 to 7 hours sleep would make you pretty happy at this stage in the treatment. Until you reach your ultimate goals, don't overlook the incremental successes along the way. For a claustrophobic person to be able to put on a full face mask is an accomplishment. To be able to even go to sleep with the mask on is another.
I'm not sure why you ended up with a full face mask - I'm sure you had your reasons. But there are nasal masks made of soft pliable materials. I usually use pillows myself. Ten years from now we may look at the hardshell masks like dinosaurs, but even among FF masks, they are very different. What you are using may not be the most comfortable one for you. Ask your provider to show you the several different models.
Do they work? Well, all masks are not alike, but the therapy itself is not only provable by many testimonials (which you can read on here), but by hard data. I have the same machine you have. Do you look at your data on the screen in the mornings to see how you are doing? I found that most motivational for me. It helps me avoid the frustration of feeling like I'm floundering around in the dark not knowing what to do next.
Sorry I have no hard and fast solutions to offer. I've been at this for over a year and can't say I've reached my ultimate goals. But the progress I've made, the long-time-coming but remarkable improvement in how I feel and function, and the security of feeling safe when I go to sleep are enough to keep me at this. So I have to say, "It works for me."
Hope it soon works for you.
Kathy
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best suggestion I can make is simply to chill and take it one day at a time.
You have been using it for 11 days, some of us over 5yrs and we deal with it.
It takes the avg. person 4-6 weeks to get used to the therapy before they can sleep all night long.
But hey its your life, if you want to resolve your problems with cpap take each problem area and address it one problem at a time, first thing you know you will be sleeping all night long and won't end up with a stroke or coronary by the time you are 50.
Finding the right mask that works for you is the hardest part of this treatment.
Treat it like going to Wal-Mart and buying a cheap pair of those Chinese $2 tennis shoes and leaving the nylon thingee still attached and try walking in them, cpap at times is very similar when it comes to comfort but the thing you need to realize is you can take it off in the morning and you are just like the next person. I know of a lot worse therapies people go through every day, cpap is nothing by comparison.
You have been using it for 11 days, some of us over 5yrs and we deal with it.
It takes the avg. person 4-6 weeks to get used to the therapy before they can sleep all night long.
But hey its your life, if you want to resolve your problems with cpap take each problem area and address it one problem at a time, first thing you know you will be sleeping all night long and won't end up with a stroke or coronary by the time you are 50.
Finding the right mask that works for you is the hardest part of this treatment.
Treat it like going to Wal-Mart and buying a cheap pair of those Chinese $2 tennis shoes and leaving the nylon thingee still attached and try walking in them, cpap at times is very similar when it comes to comfort but the thing you need to realize is you can take it off in the morning and you are just like the next person. I know of a lot worse therapies people go through every day, cpap is nothing by comparison.
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Wow...............4 to 6 weeks, huh? I'm certainly not average. I've been on this durned machine since September and am just now beginning to get regular, comfortable nights. One thing I have to remember is that having a stroke or heart attack in my sleep is definately NOT how I want to "go"! I'll keep struggling to make my numbers lower and my sleep more comfortable. Hope you do the same, bskrichardson3!
Chris
I'm not a Doctor, nor am I associated with the medical profession in any way. Any comments I make are just personal opinions. Take them or leave them. (justa don't gripe at me if ya donna like 'em!)
I'm not a Doctor, nor am I associated with the medical profession in any way. Any comments I make are just personal opinions. Take them or leave them. (justa don't gripe at me if ya donna like 'em!)
Hey there!
First, don't panic. Things will get better.
2nd, what you are experiencing is more normal than you think. Everyone has trouble adjusting to the weird and (eventually) wonderful world of CPAP. Success consists of three components: 1) attitude (it helps if want it to work), 2) time (you have to be patient while your brain adjusts to the new sensations), and 3) finding the right interface (mask, pillows, etc). I don't doubt that you have a great machine, but IMHO it is always the mask that causes the problem.
QUOTE 1:
I finally had to go with
a "full face" mask covering both nose and mouth to get any comfort at all.
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Usually people end up with a FFM because they can't stop breathing through their mouth. Is that what happened to you or did you have other problems? You mentioned problems with claustrophobia. If you are serious about that there is probably nothing WORSE than an FFM. You might be a lot better off using a strap or even tape (never tried it myself) to keep you mouth closed. Most of us end up learning to do it ourselves over time. It may not work at first, but it is something that can be learned.
Quote 2:
My question is: Why not make masks totally out of soft materials instead of so much hard plastic!? I feel like
Darth Vader - not a good feeling.
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If you are open to other forms of interface, I think most of us would agree that the least claustrophobic option would be a nasal pillow or similar under-nose device. If you sleep on your back and not your side or stomach, the Resmed Swift is worth trying. It leaves nothing at all in front of your eyes and is fairly soft all around. If you sleep on your side and not your back, a lot of people recommend the Breeze (Puritan Bennett?). The Respironics ConfortLite 2 gives you a choice of 3 different nasal interfaces with the same soft headgear. That is really nice when you are starting out because it is often helpful to alternate interfaces to avoid irritation and other problems. I own a Swift and recently purchased a Respironics Optilife so that I could sleep equally well on side and back. It has a chin strap, but nothing in front of the eyes, so in many ways it is like the Swift, only more versatile.
The point is that all of these will feel softer and less confining than what you are using.
Chances are your sleep study involved the use of a conventional nasal mask. Be aware that there are many types and sizes of these. Both are important. I started my hosehead life with a Resmed Ultra-Mirage II that had a LARGE cushion. Why? Because I tried 3 different nasal masks at the hospital and the other two had smaller cushions - so that is the only one that worked at all. I think the UMII is actually fairly good for a nasal mask in that it is light and comfortable. The most popular NM is probably the Resmed Mirage Activa, because it fits better and leaks less for most people. Problem is, it is larger and may not help for claustrophobes. The Respironics NMs with Gel (Comfort Gel?) also seem to be popular.
Quote 3:
Emotionally I am really struggling. I have yet to
experience 1 single full night's sleep of at least 8 uninterrupted hours - I would go for 7 or even 6. Does this thing really work?
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I hope you have taken the time to read about other peoples advice for newbies. We have all been where you are. Yes, Virginia, it really does work!
My own experience was that I had EXTREMELY bad, long-term apnea before I got treated. I hadn't slept for 6 hours in one night for over 5 years, and the quality of my sleep was extremely poor. I was depressed, overweight, had high blood pressure, couldn't work effectively and couldn't cope with things emotionally. My idea of "normal" had declined to the lowest imaginable ebb. (Not that I was aware of this - I never believed that something as simple as apnea could have caused all of the @#$% I was going through and only agreed to do a sleep study when my therapist insisted she couldn't work with me if I didn't!)
OK, so I was a mess. I didn't have to worry about the motivation part since I new that there was no alternative but to succeed with CPAP.
So I started with high hopes and found...problems! Leaks, equipment failures, adjustment problems, insurance SNAFUs. Fortunately I also found this forum. The people here can help. And your participation in the forum can help them. There are some other forums that run in parallel with this. All have similar advice. All of them will tell you to keep trying until you are comfortable and don't take no for an answer from your DME, your doctor, or your insurance provider.
One of my biggest surprizes once I crossed over into sleeping most of the night (a couple of weeks into the adventure) was that I really didn't feel better right away. I had such a huge sleep deficit to make up that it took a couple of months before I actually started to feel better. Gradually my idea of "normal" went from barely functioning to something approaching what other people take for granted. After six months I actually started to feel good again. I think I am still in recovery a year later.
Now I CAN NOT sleep without my machine. Even a catnap is unbearable because of the choking sensation. When I was sleep deprived, I never got headaches and I couldn't really tell the difference between sleeping 4 hours or 6. In fact sleeping longer often made me feel worse. Now I notice the difference between 6, 7, 8, or 9 hours. I can catnap and actually feel rested. It is amazing!!
So take heart. Find something that works well enough to get you through the first couple of weeks, then keep trying alternatives until you know what works. Eventually YOU WILL FORGET the odd feelings that you have now. Breathing through the interface with SEEM ABSOLUTELY NORMAL. You will never have insomnia again because the ritual of filling you humidifier and putting on your mask will be part of an extremely effective sleep routine.
These things will happen, but it takes a positive attitude, determination, and perseverence.
Hope this helped.
/TC (twillson)
First, don't panic. Things will get better.
2nd, what you are experiencing is more normal than you think. Everyone has trouble adjusting to the weird and (eventually) wonderful world of CPAP. Success consists of three components: 1) attitude (it helps if want it to work), 2) time (you have to be patient while your brain adjusts to the new sensations), and 3) finding the right interface (mask, pillows, etc). I don't doubt that you have a great machine, but IMHO it is always the mask that causes the problem.
QUOTE 1:
I finally had to go with
a "full face" mask covering both nose and mouth to get any comfort at all.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Usually people end up with a FFM because they can't stop breathing through their mouth. Is that what happened to you or did you have other problems? You mentioned problems with claustrophobia. If you are serious about that there is probably nothing WORSE than an FFM. You might be a lot better off using a strap or even tape (never tried it myself) to keep you mouth closed. Most of us end up learning to do it ourselves over time. It may not work at first, but it is something that can be learned.
Quote 2:
My question is: Why not make masks totally out of soft materials instead of so much hard plastic!? I feel like
Darth Vader - not a good feeling.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are open to other forms of interface, I think most of us would agree that the least claustrophobic option would be a nasal pillow or similar under-nose device. If you sleep on your back and not your side or stomach, the Resmed Swift is worth trying. It leaves nothing at all in front of your eyes and is fairly soft all around. If you sleep on your side and not your back, a lot of people recommend the Breeze (Puritan Bennett?). The Respironics ConfortLite 2 gives you a choice of 3 different nasal interfaces with the same soft headgear. That is really nice when you are starting out because it is often helpful to alternate interfaces to avoid irritation and other problems. I own a Swift and recently purchased a Respironics Optilife so that I could sleep equally well on side and back. It has a chin strap, but nothing in front of the eyes, so in many ways it is like the Swift, only more versatile.
The point is that all of these will feel softer and less confining than what you are using.
Chances are your sleep study involved the use of a conventional nasal mask. Be aware that there are many types and sizes of these. Both are important. I started my hosehead life with a Resmed Ultra-Mirage II that had a LARGE cushion. Why? Because I tried 3 different nasal masks at the hospital and the other two had smaller cushions - so that is the only one that worked at all. I think the UMII is actually fairly good for a nasal mask in that it is light and comfortable. The most popular NM is probably the Resmed Mirage Activa, because it fits better and leaks less for most people. Problem is, it is larger and may not help for claustrophobes. The Respironics NMs with Gel (Comfort Gel?) also seem to be popular.
Quote 3:
Emotionally I am really struggling. I have yet to
experience 1 single full night's sleep of at least 8 uninterrupted hours - I would go for 7 or even 6. Does this thing really work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I hope you have taken the time to read about other peoples advice for newbies. We have all been where you are. Yes, Virginia, it really does work!
My own experience was that I had EXTREMELY bad, long-term apnea before I got treated. I hadn't slept for 6 hours in one night for over 5 years, and the quality of my sleep was extremely poor. I was depressed, overweight, had high blood pressure, couldn't work effectively and couldn't cope with things emotionally. My idea of "normal" had declined to the lowest imaginable ebb. (Not that I was aware of this - I never believed that something as simple as apnea could have caused all of the @#$% I was going through and only agreed to do a sleep study when my therapist insisted she couldn't work with me if I didn't!)
OK, so I was a mess. I didn't have to worry about the motivation part since I new that there was no alternative but to succeed with CPAP.
So I started with high hopes and found...problems! Leaks, equipment failures, adjustment problems, insurance SNAFUs. Fortunately I also found this forum. The people here can help. And your participation in the forum can help them. There are some other forums that run in parallel with this. All have similar advice. All of them will tell you to keep trying until you are comfortable and don't take no for an answer from your DME, your doctor, or your insurance provider.
One of my biggest surprizes once I crossed over into sleeping most of the night (a couple of weeks into the adventure) was that I really didn't feel better right away. I had such a huge sleep deficit to make up that it took a couple of months before I actually started to feel better. Gradually my idea of "normal" went from barely functioning to something approaching what other people take for granted. After six months I actually started to feel good again. I think I am still in recovery a year later.
Now I CAN NOT sleep without my machine. Even a catnap is unbearable because of the choking sensation. When I was sleep deprived, I never got headaches and I couldn't really tell the difference between sleeping 4 hours or 6. In fact sleeping longer often made me feel worse. Now I notice the difference between 6, 7, 8, or 9 hours. I can catnap and actually feel rested. It is amazing!!
So take heart. Find something that works well enough to get you through the first couple of weeks, then keep trying alternatives until you know what works. Eventually YOU WILL FORGET the odd feelings that you have now. Breathing through the interface with SEEM ABSOLUTELY NORMAL. You will never have insomnia again because the ritual of filling you humidifier and putting on your mask will be part of an extremely effective sleep routine.
These things will happen, but it takes a positive attitude, determination, and perseverence.
Hope this helped.
/TC (twillson)
/TCW
Breathing is a very good thing!!!
Breathing is a very good thing!!!
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twillson
...it was so kind of you to take the time to post such a long, detailed response, addressing each point, one by one
...people like you make this forum work
...as a relative newbie myself (six weeks) who is struggling with masks and wondering when i'll start to feel better, it was heartening to read about your experience...i feel like i started out the same way...high hopes then lots of obstacles, but i am addressing each one as they present themselves, and feeling empowered by this forum and by the prospect of one day feeling like a whole person
thanks again, to you and others like you
sharon
...it was so kind of you to take the time to post such a long, detailed response, addressing each point, one by one
...people like you make this forum work
...as a relative newbie myself (six weeks) who is struggling with masks and wondering when i'll start to feel better, it was heartening to read about your experience...i feel like i started out the same way...high hopes then lots of obstacles, but i am addressing each one as they present themselves, and feeling empowered by this forum and by the prospect of one day feeling like a whole person
thanks again, to you and others like you
sharon
Re: WHY HARD PLASTIC MASKS? DOES THIS THING REALLY WORK?
The problem is, without knowing it, you didn't experience that prior to cpap either.bskrichardson3 wrote:I have yet to experience 1 single full night's sleep of at least 8 uninterrupted hours
As others said, hang in there. The dreaded MASK is the hard part -- you will find one that works for you.
Good Luck
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I am also claustrophobic. I panic if I get trapped in clothes with a stuck zipper. I freak out if my hair gets into my face too much. Knowing this, I was worried about what kind of mask I could handle.
However, I found that NONE of the masks have made me claustrophobic. I have used the Swift (soft, little, nothing over your eyes at all) and the Activa (very soft and flexible, but larger). The blowing air keeps me from getting that trapped-can't-breathe feeling. Once in a while, I have to turn down the temperature on the humidifier if the air starts to feel too warm.
YES, the therapy works, but NO, every mask does not work for every person. Keep trying and you will get there!
Moogy
However, I found that NONE of the masks have made me claustrophobic. I have used the Swift (soft, little, nothing over your eyes at all) and the Activa (very soft and flexible, but larger). The blowing air keeps me from getting that trapped-can't-breathe feeling. Once in a while, I have to turn down the temperature on the humidifier if the air starts to feel too warm.
YES, the therapy works, but NO, every mask does not work for every person. Keep trying and you will get there!
Moogy
Moogy
started bipap therapy 3/8/2006
pre-treatment AHI 102.5;
Now on my third auto bipap machine, pressures 16-20.5
started bipap therapy 3/8/2006
pre-treatment AHI 102.5;
Now on my third auto bipap machine, pressures 16-20.5
- birdshell
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The mask may be the most important factor affecting compliance in the new xPAP user. The fact that so many of us have a collection masks speaks to that issue.
There are many masks from which to choose; one must make an informed decision. One good thing to do is to look through an online company's selection to see what may appear to be appealing; then look at the manufacturer's sites for more information. (I know that in the case of a few of my masks, the manufacturer's site contains online videos of how to fit and use the mask.)
The absolute best DME providers will allow their consumers (that would be US) to try several masks by taking them home for a few days. Mine even had a 30 day trial period, which saved me from having to live with the first mask that they gave to me.
I use the fourth mask that I tried, and am fairly happy with it. However, I am always looking for another that might be better. I personally prefer the nasal pillow interface, but there may be something better out there, or yet to come. The quest for perfection never ends!
BTW, my attempt to use a nasal mask at titration was a disaster. The thing crept up into my eyes, made me feel trapped, and triggered my slight claustrophobia. (Just do not send me into a small, dark tunnel; a closed MRI is no problem.) Keep on looking and trying, and keep on sleeping better with your xPAP than you were before.
Even a few hours of sleep may be more restorative than the sleep you had previously. (Did you know that 4 hours per night is the standard for compliance of many insurance companies?) That said, I have a working theory that if we cannot sleep then there is something wrong that we may not realize. Either the machine, mask, or something else could be at fault--but that is just MY non-medical hypothesis. I suspect it can be very tricky to figure out if that is the case, though.
This is a healing therapy and the effects may not be felt for many months. It will eventually be worth all of the tribulation. Best wishes, and keep up the search.
There are many masks from which to choose; one must make an informed decision. One good thing to do is to look through an online company's selection to see what may appear to be appealing; then look at the manufacturer's sites for more information. (I know that in the case of a few of my masks, the manufacturer's site contains online videos of how to fit and use the mask.)
The absolute best DME providers will allow their consumers (that would be US) to try several masks by taking them home for a few days. Mine even had a 30 day trial period, which saved me from having to live with the first mask that they gave to me.
I use the fourth mask that I tried, and am fairly happy with it. However, I am always looking for another that might be better. I personally prefer the nasal pillow interface, but there may be something better out there, or yet to come. The quest for perfection never ends!
BTW, my attempt to use a nasal mask at titration was a disaster. The thing crept up into my eyes, made me feel trapped, and triggered my slight claustrophobia. (Just do not send me into a small, dark tunnel; a closed MRI is no problem.) Keep on looking and trying, and keep on sleeping better with your xPAP than you were before.
Even a few hours of sleep may be more restorative than the sleep you had previously. (Did you know that 4 hours per night is the standard for compliance of many insurance companies?) That said, I have a working theory that if we cannot sleep then there is something wrong that we may not realize. Either the machine, mask, or something else could be at fault--but that is just MY non-medical hypothesis. I suspect it can be very tricky to figure out if that is the case, though.
This is a healing therapy and the effects may not be felt for many months. It will eventually be worth all of the tribulation. Best wishes, and keep up the search.
Be kinder than necessary; everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
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Plastic, because it cheap and easy to mold. (more profit). By using plastic it's lighter in weight. (and more profit). Being plastic, it's subject to breakage, (more sales, more profit).
I think I see a pattern here! Jim
I think I see a pattern here! Jim
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!
"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire
"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire
Goof,
"Plastic, because it cheap and easy to mold. (more profit). By using plastic it's lighter in weight. (and more profit). Being plastic, it's subject to breakage, (more sales, more profit)."
Some day maybe you will actually post something worth reading. Maybe even something constructive. Your posts are generally nothing more than smart denegrating comments.
"Plastic, because it cheap and easy to mold. (more profit). By using plastic it's lighter in weight. (and more profit). Being plastic, it's subject to breakage, (more sales, more profit)."
Some day maybe you will actually post something worth reading. Maybe even something constructive. Your posts are generally nothing more than smart denegrating comments.
- birdshell
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Dear "Guest", also known as OSA Guy--
It is very evident that you are unhappy. I am sorry for that. I have no idea why, but with that said:
It really bothers me to read a personal attack here. You have not given any basis in fact for your opinion, and therefore it is inappropriate for this forum. We have a great forum. It is one in which many of us find greater support and friendship than in almost any other forum with which I am familiar. Personal attacks weaken the strength of the forum.
Of course, one has personal opinions. They should be held personally and not posted UNLESS there is some good reason that you wish to share. That reason or reasons should be documented and included with the opinion.
The most ironic portion of your post is that Goofproof is one of the most knowledgeable and informed posters when he chooses to post. His vast knowledge of a number of fields, applied to xPAP inquiries, have benefited many of us.
I would ask you and everyone else reading this to refrain from a personal attack. Discussion is one thing; an unsupported and mean-spirited denigration of fellow xPAPers is inappropriate.
Sincerely,
Karen
aka birdshell
It is very evident that you are unhappy. I am sorry for that. I have no idea why, but with that said:
It really bothers me to read a personal attack here. You have not given any basis in fact for your opinion, and therefore it is inappropriate for this forum. We have a great forum. It is one in which many of us find greater support and friendship than in almost any other forum with which I am familiar. Personal attacks weaken the strength of the forum.
Of course, one has personal opinions. They should be held personally and not posted UNLESS there is some good reason that you wish to share. That reason or reasons should be documented and included with the opinion.
The most ironic portion of your post is that Goofproof is one of the most knowledgeable and informed posters when he chooses to post. His vast knowledge of a number of fields, applied to xPAP inquiries, have benefited many of us.
I would ask you and everyone else reading this to refrain from a personal attack. Discussion is one thing; an unsupported and mean-spirited denigration of fellow xPAPers is inappropriate.
Sincerely,
Karen
aka birdshell
Be kinder than necessary; everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.
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