1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

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1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by MopTop » Thu May 30, 2019 1:49 pm

So I've been using my machine for about 2 weeks now and I have to say - I feel great :D :D For the first time in more years than I care to remember I am not hanging out for a nap in the afternoons!!

So I thought it was about time that I got to grips with Sleepyhead and looked at optomising my results. I know how I feel is more important than the numbers and to be honest if it never got any better I would still be OK - but if there is anything obvious that you more experienced people can see that would be great.

These are my stats from the last 3 nights - although Tuesday night (the middle one) is probably not a great example because I met up with some friends and had rather too much wine :oops:

Hopefully I have got the data in the right order with the correct bits on the screen that you need.

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Pugsy » Thu May 30, 2019 2:02 pm

I see a lot of breaks in therapy where you turned the machine off and back on again....any special reason why?
This tells me that your sleep quality itself isn't optimal...lots of wakes up and probably more that you don't remember or didn't turn off the machine for.
When lots of wake ups happen the chances for false positive flags from the machine mistaking awake breathing irregularities for some sort of asleep problem greatly increases and awake flagged events simply don't count.
Problem is the machine only measures air flow...doesn't measure sleep status.

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by MopTop » Thu May 30, 2019 2:21 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:02 pm
I see a lot of breaks in therapy where you turned the machine off and back on again....any special reason why?
Can you explain what they look like so I can see them for myself and can maybe identify what is going on?

There will have been a couple of trips to the toilet and I have an old spaniel who can't get on and off the bed for himself so I get out to lift him on and off. For all of those events I unhook my mask - would that show as me switching the machine off? Sorry to sound dim!

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by MopTop » Thu May 30, 2019 2:23 pm

MopTop wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:21 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:02 pm
I see a lot of breaks in therapy where you turned the machine off and back on again....any special reason why?
Can you explain what they look like so I can see them for myself and can maybe identify what is going on?
Is that the "Pressure" graph where the red and green lines show the breaks?

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Jas_williams » Thu May 30, 2019 2:35 pm

MopTop wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:21 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:02 pm
I see a lot of breaks in therapy where you turned the machine off and back on again....any special reason why?
Can you explain what they look like so I can see them for myself and can maybe identify what is going on?

There will have been a couple of trips to the toilet and I have an old spaniel who can't get on and off the bed for himself so I get out to lift him on and off. For all of those events I unhook my mask - would that show as me switching the machine off? Sorry to sound dim!
MopTop,

Glad my old machine is working out for you. As you have Smart Start enabled when you take the mask off the machine turns off and turns on again when you put the mask back on and lie back down. That causes a gap in the black flow chart and the pressure chart.


Pugsy was asking the question to see if we could help suggest things to help you stay asleep, not sure what we can do about the old Spaniel tho :D but the toilet trips will probably reduce as your therapy settles down.


Your charts are looking better as you get used to the mask and APAP and you obviously feeling better great work and keep checking in


Jason

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Pugsy » Thu May 30, 2019 2:42 pm

Breaks in therapy can be seen on all the graphs but are probably easiest seen on the pressure graphs where you see the red (inhale) and green (exhale) lines.

Here's an example from mine....solid lines...no breaks in therapy.
Doesn't mean I didn't wake up a few times but I didn't turn the machine off. When I see breaks in the line I know the person at least was awake at that time and probably at other times as well.

FWIW....it took me probably 3 months for my sleep to stop being disrupted just because the brain was wanting to tell me "hey dude, do you know there is an alien on your nose blowing air"...no other reason. Wasn't leaking or uncomfortable...just the brain not used to the new normal.
Now if this is what it happening with you...give it time but if you have specific issues waking you up like leaks or comfort or whatever...we want to try to fix those things because anything that wakes us up is unwanted.

If it is a dog...or cat...or kid...comes with the territory and we do the best we can but if mask related or something you have some control over then you want to try to fix it if you can.

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Jas_williams » Thu May 30, 2019 2:49 pm

I would not suggest making any other changes at this time your numbers are pretty good and I would expect the CA’s to reduce over time, when you get fully used to sleeping with the mask

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Pugsy » Thu May 30, 2019 2:55 pm

I am going to agree with Jas...williams.
I see no urgent need to change anything at this time in terms of settings.
Instead I would focus on sleep itself first.
Once you can say you slept solidly for the most part then we might look at the data to see what's left and then decide if it's worth doing anything about.

I am fairly certain a good chunk of those flagged events probably aren't real and are instead false positive awake breathing getting flagged by mistake.

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by palerider » Thu May 30, 2019 4:42 pm

MopTop wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:23 pm
MopTop wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:21 pm
Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:02 pm
I see a lot of breaks in therapy where you turned the machine off and back on again....any special reason why?
Can you explain what they look like so I can see them for myself and can maybe identify what is going on?
Is that the "Pressure" graph where the red and green lines show the breaks?
Yes.

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by MopTop » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:34 am

Sorry for the delay in responding - we had people to stay for the weekend and I haven't had a minute to myself :|
Jas_williams wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:35 pm

Glad my old machine is working out for you.
:D :D It's brilliant!!
Jas_williams wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:35 pm
As you have Smart Start enabled when you take the mask off the machine turns off and turns on again when you put the mask back on and lie back down. That causes a gap in the black flow chart and the pressure chart.
OK - that makes sense.
Jas_williams wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:35 pm
not sure what we can do about the old Spaniel tho :D but the toilet trips will probably reduce as your therapy settles down.
Nor me - he fell off the bed the other night and I tried to jump up to help him forgetting about my mask and hose - gave us both a fright!! :mrgreen:
Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:42 pm
the brain was wanting to tell me "hey dude, do you know there is an alien on your nose blowing air"...no other reason.
:lol: yes - I recognise that sensation!
Jas_williams wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:49 pm
I would not suggest making any other changes at this time your numbers are pretty good and I would expect the CA’s to reduce over time, when you get fully used to sleeping with the mask
That was kinda what I thought because at the moment I feel pretty darn good!! Certainly a hell of a lot better than I have for the previous 30 years!
Pugsy wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:55 pm
I am going to agree with Jas...williams.
I see no urgent need to change anything at this time in terms of settings.
Instead I would focus on sleep itself first.
Once you can say you slept solidly for the most part then we might look at the data to see what's left and then decide if it's worth doing anything about.

I am fairly certain a good chunk of those flagged events probably aren't real and are instead false positive awake breathing getting flagged by mistake.
OK - thanks :D

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Re: 1st attempt at Sleepyhead data

Post by Jas_williams » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:32 pm

Thanks for the update glad things are going well

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