OT: constant cyber-harassment

[justvisiting]

SleepyHead is just a tool to show the data if there is no more SleepyHead around the tools from the companies will do just fine. Where you get actual help is on the boards and from the boards.
It looks like you are confusing cause and effect.

[SuperSleeper]

Wow Watkins, I don't know where to begin with all the falsehoods, deception and threats you've posted above. It never ends with you.. I could completely refute every little thing you've said above, but that wouldn't stop the lies... you'd just keep pumping out new and greater lies to replace the ones that were refuted. It would be a full time job just to counter your crap every day. Sorry, but this old man doesn't want to play the games you apparently have so much time to play.

Your non-existent "PROOF" is always "coming in the future", just like your non-existent SleepyHead 2.0 was "coming soon" and now the non-existent "new" venture you posted about on the other thread is "coming soon, if you will all show me some love".

How about posting your SCREENSHOTS now, Watkins?

I can't be bothered figuring out how image posting works again over here again to remind you right now, but later when I've got time...

Yeah, right. A great programmer like you can't even figure out how to post an image on a forum?? You REALLY expect everyone to believe that outrageous claim?? Seriously??

You are a LIAR and everyone here can plainly see that.

I'm done responding to you directly, Watkins.

Thank GOD that nearly everyone who's worked with or helped JediMark in the past on SleepyHead development and testing has now abandoned him and his lunacy to start an independent OSCAR fork. At least now, the software will be a truly cooperative open-source work, and we can ALL forget about the toxic working environment created by Watkins' never-ending paranoid, narcissistic false accusations and conspiracy theories.

[prodigyplace]

I really hated to post that stuff, because I feel a once-great man has been ruined by the love of money.

That's the truly gut-wrenching part of all this for me. I saw what great things Mark accomplished, and he literally threw it all away for a few dollars.

I need to go to bed.

Here is what I saw in my observation of the "situation". You and I both were falsely told Mark permitted continuing 1.1 development. You also believed 1.1 should be extended.

When I saw the conversational "proof" from our source, I saw it was not really proof. I then behaved like an adult and admitted my mistake. In the conversation I saw, our source took Mark's silence on an issue as agreement. There was no explicit agreement.

AB continued to act as is Mark had officially sanctioned development. When Mark outright stated that he did not, AB tried to convince Mark he was wrong.

AB previously advertised itself in the press using a thinly disguised news story of martyr Mark vs. big business CPAP. We know what group is making money off SH. They are just too childish to admit when they are wrong. End of story.

i agree that Mark is very loud and opinionated, but if you distill things down to the facts, this is what happened. To my knowledge, although Palerider saw the explosion on Discord, he has not seen the "proof" I saw directly from Arie.

You are free to fork SleepyHead but the explosion was about developing it and calling it SleepyHead, in violation of the license & copyright. They are two different things.

I disagree with Mark about OSCAR being an improper fork. I will reserve judgment until I see it.

[raisedfist]

I have seen a theme of crying victim in multiple threads. I don't understand the point, outside of being starved for attention. You quit a project, feel like you are being bullied, and people were mean to you, yet you stick around and engage with your supposed bullies by posting and making more threads about it. Take some time alone, lick your wounds, and move onto something else in your life instead of remaining in the toxic waste. You're obviously intelligent. Why let this go to waste by brooding around, doing nothing of value now.

We are all thankful for SleepyHead. However, most likely 99.99% of us here do not care one bit about the SleepyHead drama and all this does is clog up the main page. You don't want to do the project anymore. So either answer or post questions about sleep apnea therapy, or why are you here?

[chunkyfrog]

Popcorn, anyone?

[justvisiting]

@prodigyplace: what a whole bunch of bullshit! Please read the GPL at least once before you start guessing.

JediMarks SourceCode is still up. But even if he decided to pull that it does not even matter - on gitlab alone are over 40 forks (most of them not active - they are mostly just copies). On other Git-Sites are even more.
SleepyHead itself points you to the sourcecode - that is more than enough for the GPL.
Even if the license of SH would ever change in the future - whoever got a "GPL licensed version of SH" has the GPL license. GPL is more about the rights of the user and not so much about the rights of the author.

copied directly out of the license shown in SH 1.1.0:

For example, if you distribute copies of such a program, whether gratis or for a fee, you must pass on to the recipients the same freedoms that you received. You must make sure that they, too, receive or can get the source code.

so redistribition is already granted ... shocker.

and this is pretty much it about "changes" (which haven't even happened so far!)

The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified it, and giving a relevant date.

Of course if there would be some additional rights on the name itself - maybe a trademark - that needs to be changed. But so it looks that is covered under the GPL as well.

Let's face it: JediMark doesn't like the GPL anymore - it's hard to make money under that license. His next "thing" will have either ads or you can buy extra stuff in it. He could have changed the license of his work anytime and put his big business plan into play. (well, for just his work) All the active forks I am aware of had so far HIS donation-Button (and only his). After he made it clear, that a fork should have no ties to him that might change in the future. We will see how that p(l)ays out for him.

The whole bullshit about "I don't know how many users I have" is just that! plain Bullshit! Every installation of SH has an "update" checker build in - going right to his server! He knows exactly how many users he has - If he doesn't care that is another thing. But than: he isn't even able to post a screenshot (actually he just can't be bothered with that). I wonder if he had choosen the license the same way - just pick it and hope for the best.

I wouldn't even be surprised if he comes back in a few months and would claim that all his accounts got hacked and it wasn't him. Oh wait - didn't that happen before to his server? Thank god for reliable mirrors - no thank god for the GPL which makes exactly that possible.

I take that popcorn and take a look on the "love he demands". If he actually is faster than OSCAR he might have a chance with a paid version. After that I doubt that the boards will recommend his software.
And let's face something else too: Noone would use SleepyHead if it wouldn't be recommended by all the boards on the internet. If they start recommending another Software that will be the (new) de facto standard for the future.

As I said: SleepyHead is just a tool to show my problems to others in order to get help! - Nothing more. Whatever gets that job done is all that is needed.
If pugsy here only helps you if you show here ResScan Screenshots everyone would start using ResScan right away. It wouldn't even matter if SleepyHead or something far better would exist.

[prodigyplace]

Sorry I was wrong. I saw an indication on AB that it was unavailable & my search failed. You are correct, it is still available. I will correct the posting.

[zonker]

I understand that the person in charge of this forum prefers "free speech" and so do I. But when things escalate as they have above, I think it's in the best interest of everyone to isolate those in disagreement so that peace and respect can be maintained here. Perhaps our moderator Pugsy can help in this regard...?

unfortunately, no. it's just the opposite. pugsy would MUCH rather have a thread devoted to this rather than having this shit contaminate a thread that is based on helping someone. she has, in fact, extolled users to have a "duke it out thread".

and i see her point. you can tell from the title of this thread that it's OFF TOPIC and it's going to be hostile.

so let the guys get it off their chests. say nothing. or choose sides and cheer on your champion.

or......

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[babydinosnoreless]

Popcorn, anyone?

Slowly raising hand from ducked down behind sofa. I will take some. Extra butter if you have it.

[palerider]

We know what group is making money off SH. They are just too childish to admit when they are wrong. End of story.

The only "group" that is making any money off SH is MARK WATKINS.

Many people contributed many hundreds of hours working on sleepyhead, and he profited.

I know that I, personally, contributed hundreds of hours, and all I got was a boot in the face... Same with Sleeprider. Who knows how much time and effort Arie put into the project, though I don't know if he shared in the donations.

But we do know who pocketed all that money.

[chunkyfrog]

Popcorn, anyone?

Slowly raising hand from ducked down behind sofa. I will take some. Extra butter if you have it.

I always make some with VERY heavy butter--just the way my sweetie likes it.
Go ahead, grab some--he doesn't mind sharing.

[Bilbosax]

I gotta say guys, this conversation really breaks my heart. I am a coder, and I personally am eternally grateful to Jedimark for the endless hard work he MUST have put into Sleepyhead. It is a remarkable program. It has changed my life with regard to sleep. Without him, tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of people would have absolutely no control over their apnea treatment. We would be swimming around in the dark, dependent on our doctors uninspired and infrequent advice, or on our practically useless DME's. But with Sleepyhead, everyone on this board has been able to see directly what is happening to them from night to night on all of the latest equipment and make quick changes to ease their suffering. Nobody else on earth took it upon themselves to do the work that he did, and we are all benefiting from it.

Now I don't know Jedimark at all, and I have no idea who is in the right or wrong here so I will offer no opinion. I just ask that we give the guy the respect that he deserves. He may be unstable, I have no idea, and he may need to rant to get things off his chest, but we could all take the high road and just not respond, and it will pass. But if you have ever used his program to improve your sleep, and I think most of us here have, I think it would be fair to not crush the guy publicly for all he has done for this community.

Really sad.

[palerider]

I gotta say guys, this conversation really breaks my heart. I am a coder, and I personally am eternally grateful to Jedimark for the endless hard work he MUST have put into Sleepyhead. It is a remarkable program. It has changed my life with regard to sleep. Without him, tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of people would have absolutely no control over their apnea treatment. We would be swimming around in the dark, dependent on our doctors uninspired and infrequent advice, or on our practically useless DME's.

No, we wouldn't be.

If you want Resscan, or Encore, or whatever other program is the 'official' one, you can get it.

Sleepyhead is just *easier* to use, than those are.

Nobody else on earth took it upon themselves to do the work that he did, and we are all benefiting from it.

There have been other people that did something, but they said "oh, well, I see now that there's sleepyhead, I won't go any further on what I've done.

Now I don't know Jedimark at all, and I have no idea who is in the right or wrong here so I will offer no opinion. I just ask that we give the guy the respect that he deserves.

He's gotten years of respect, and accolades, and money.

But he's throwing it all away with his deranged vitriol.

He may be unstable, I have no idea, and he may need to rant to get things off his chest, but we could all take the high road and just not respond, and it will pass.

No, lies must be refuted, otherwise, the lie becomes the truth for everybody that doesn't know any better.

Pretty much everything that Mr Watkins is saying is a flat out lie, born from within his psychosis. He's suckered in many people "oh, you poor thing, those people were sooo mean to you!", and probably benefited financially "Oh, you poor dear, let me send you some more money".

if you have ever used his program to improve your sleep, and I think most of us here have, I think it would be fair to not crush the guy publicly for all he has done for this community.

Really sad.

Nobody is "crushing the guy publicly" for what he has done for the community.

But previous accidental benefit (he's repeatedly said that he wrote sleepyhead for himself, and just shared it) for the community does not give him a pass for his current misbehavior.

What is really sad is that he's had yet another psychotic breakdown (just the latest in a long string), more publicly than before, has been spewing libelous lies, and is showing his arse to the world.

That's what's sad.

[jimbud]

No, lies must be refuted, otherwise, the lie becomes the truth for everybody that doesn't know any better.

YES!!!

That's what's sad.

[palerider]

Mr watkins just wants some love:

He's just got a really weird way of asking for it.

And no, I didn't go digging for that, it's today's strip!

In case anybody wonders, this post, from mark's facebook should lend some backstory: