Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:55 pm

Bigtonguehypopnea wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:03 pm
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
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Any clenchers out there who have had success alleviating it with CPAP???




The device he made me sits on your bottom front teeth. The top of it is a flat surface into which he carves a little groove for your front teeth. It doesn't lock them there. It just tells your front teeth where home is. (Home position for your jaw, that is.) When you sleep, your jaw tries to close and your teeth expect to find each other. With this device, your front teeth tap the plastic plate and your jaw reflexively opens again. You'll sort of slow-chatter as your jaw keeps trying to bite down, and finding the only point of contact to be the front tooth. After a while, your jaw will give up. Your front tooth will tend to nestle into the custom made groove which puts the jaw in it's natural position (although slightly opened). Then your jaw relaxes.


I hope my story helps!
So glad to hear from you! I have an extreme overbite, so when my bottom teeth want to find a place to "Nestle," they clench into the gums behind my upper from teeth. The dentist says he can tell that I have clenched for a long time by the bone growth above my teeth. But this "power clenching" just started a year ago. After a week on CPAP with NO clenching relief, I am beginning to resign myself to a special orthodic appliance that will prevent my bottom teeth from reaching the roof of my mouth. Not giving up on CPAP....just considering "add-ons!" :lol:
I hope you have continued success! It must be a terrific relief!!

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by palerider » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:18 pm

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:51 pm
No offense taken.
Ok, great.
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:51 pm
Trying desperately to get educated as fast as I can. I'm not a self-defeatist at all....just woefully unprepared for CPAP! I'm going to request my sleep test results tomorrow. Thank you for trying to help!
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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by Bigtonguehypopnea » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:25 pm

I hope you have continued success! It must be a terrific relief!!
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Yeah. It's a weird thing when you do something in your sleep that can injure you, but you can't stop doing it! I like your word, "Power Clenching". :lol:

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by ChicagoGranny » Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:27 am

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm
I was given NO HINT by anyone that using the CPAP was a such a continuing effort..... :(
Don't despair over a "continuing" effort. After you get your settings right and your therapy optimized, it becomes routine. You'll see it much differently a few weeks from now.

BTW, I control my settings. I have made my sleep doctor and her assistant very aware of this. They weren't at all happy at first. But now, they ask me at our annual visits how my therapy is and what settings I am using.

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:27 am
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm
I was given NO HINT by anyone that using the CPAP was a such a continuing effort..... :(
Don't despair over a "continuing" effort. After you get your settings right and your therapy optimized, it becomes routine. You'll see it much differently a few weeks from now.

BTW, I control my settings. I have made my sleep doctor and her assistant very aware of this. They weren't at all happy at first. But now, they ask me at our annual visits how my therapy is and what settings I am using.
Thank you for the encouraging words. This morning I got out of bed and cried. I had a bad, sleepless night. The mask and the pressure was making me crazy and couldn't get to sleep! Very dry nose/throat one hour (woke me up)....very wet nose and fluttering noise (rain?) the next hour (woke me up).....pressure up to 12 next hour and couldn't exhale against it (woke me up). I seem to be going backwards and I'm having to take more sleep medication than I want to to get ANY rest....and to top it off, I'm clenching my teeth harder. My Sleepyhead charts show I'm having a lot of leakage. I don't mouth breathe, so I suspect I will have to go back to the small nose pillow instead of the XS (which is more comfortable). Look at this wild night!
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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by palerider » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:23 pm

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm
I was given NO HINT by anyone that using the CPAP was a such a continuing effort..... :(
It's a continuing effort. But compared to many things in life, it's a cakewalk.

My daily cpap effort involves slipping a single strap around the back of my head and settling the nasal pillows on my nose, and breathing.

When I get up, I pull 'em off and drop them on the pillow for the next night.

It's far easier than a lot of the other challenges that life throws at me.

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by palerider » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:25 pm

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 am
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:27 am
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm
I was given NO HINT by anyone that using the CPAP was a such a continuing effort..... :(
Don't despair over a "continuing" effort. After you get your settings right and your therapy optimized, it becomes routine. You'll see it much differently a few weeks from now.

BTW, I control my settings. I have made my sleep doctor and her assistant very aware of this. They weren't at all happy at first. But now, they ask me at our annual visits how my therapy is and what settings I am using.
Thank you for the encouraging words. This morning I got out of bed and cried. I had a bad, sleepless night. The mask and the pressure was making me crazy and couldn't get to sleep! Very dry nose/throat one hour (woke me up)....very wet nose and fluttering noise (rain?) the next hour (woke me up).....pressure up to 12 next hour and couldn't exhale against it (woke me up). I seem to be going backwards and I'm having to take more sleep medication than I want to to get ANY rest....and to top it off, I'm clenching my teeth harder. My Sleepyhead charts show I'm having a lot of leakage. I don't mouth breathe, so I suspect I will have to go back to the small nose pillow instead of the XS (which is more comfortable). Look at this wild night!
It gets better, we just have to find the problems you're having, and eliminate them...

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by Pugsy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:41 pm

Hey...your leaks aren't as bad as some of what I have had. :lol: :lol: Don't worry if the leak graphs aren't perfect as long as you are sleeping through the leaks. Let's worry about leak control a bit later. You have a lot on your plate right now and getting decent sleep is more important than a no large leak night.
Your leak wasn't so bad that it messed with the AHI all that much. Up to around 35 to 40 L/min the machine won't miss much.

Here's a night with a lot of mask movement leak (new mask I was trying and I needed smaller headgear which I didn't have)...I did tape my mouth shut just to make sure that what I was seeing wasn't mouth breathing (and it was just as ugly with tape as without). Believe it or not though...I slept through the majority of this mess.

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:09 pm

Pugsy wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:41 pm
Hey...your leaks aren't as bad as some of what I have had. :lol: :lol: Don't worry if the leak graphs aren't perfect as long as you are sleeping through the leaks. Let's worry about leak control a bit later. You have a lot on your plate right now and getting decent sleep is more important than a no large leak night.
Your leak wasn't so bad that it messed with the AHI all that much. Up to around 35 to 40 L/min the machine won't miss much.

Here's a night with a lot of mask movement leak (new mask I was trying and I needed smaller headgear which I didn't have)...I did tape my mouth shut just to make sure that what I was seeing wasn't mouth breathing (and it was just as ugly with tape as without). Believe it or not though...I slept through the majority of this mess.

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:lol: You got me tickled! Thanks! I really wouldn't care too much about leaks if I could just sleep through them, but I am having a nightmare (no pun intended) sleeping through much of anything. I know time is bound to help. I HATE taking sleep medication because I think it adds to my fatigue the next day (as well as the teeth clenching) so I fight it. Maybe it's time to just accept it to a degree until I feel less like I'm "wrasling" an octopus every night.
PS...I've read every word of your Pugsy Points and I can't express how helpful the information is for Newbies! Ought to be required reading!

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:22 pm

palerider wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:25 pm
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 am
ChicagoGranny wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:27 am
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm
I was given NO HINT by anyone that using the CPAP was a such a continuing effort..... :(
Don't despair over a "continuing" effort. After you get your settings right and your therapy optimized, it becomes routine. You'll see it much differently a few weeks from now.

BTW, I control my settings. I have made my sleep doctor and her assistant very aware of this. They weren't at all happy at first. But now, they ask me at our annual visits how my therapy is and what settings I am using.
Thank you for the encouraging words. This morning I got out of bed and cried. I had a bad, sleepless night. The mask and the pressure was making me crazy and couldn't get to sleep! Very dry nose/throat one hour (woke me up)....very wet nose and fluttering noise (rain?) the next hour (woke me up).....pressure up to 12 next hour and couldn't exhale against it (woke me up). I seem to be going backwards and I'm having to take more sleep medication than I want to to get ANY rest....and to top it off, I'm clenching my teeth harder. My Sleepyhead charts show I'm having a lot of leakage. I don't mouth breathe, so I suspect I will have to go back to the small nose pillow instead of the XS (which is more comfortable). Look at this wild night!
It gets better, we just have to find the problems you're having, and eliminate them...
Thank you so much for being here! It means a lot to me right now!!

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by Pugsy » Tue Jul 24, 2018 8:17 pm

There's a time and place for meds to help us sleep and yes...they come with the usual "hangover" effect the next day.
Here's how I look at taking meds.
I have to take some meds to help with some pain issues...Yeah, they make me a bit groggy for a little while the next morning but if I don't take it then my sleep quality is so poor because I wake so often from the pain.
If it didn't take the meds I would be feeling worse from poor sleep than I do from the hangover effect from the pain meds.
So I pick the lessor of 2 evils...a little hangover from meds and decent enough sleep quality or a lot of feeling crappy and hangover from really crappy sleep with no meds.

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by Bigtonguehypopnea » Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:54 am

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 am
This morning I got out of bed and cried. I had a bad, sleepless night. The mask and the pressure was making me crazy and couldn't get to sleep! Very dry nose/throat one hour (woke me up)....very wet nose and fluttering noise (rain?) the next hour (woke me up).....pressure up to 12 next hour and couldn't exhale against it (woke me up). I seem to be going backwards and I'm having to take more sleep medication than I want to to get ANY rest....and to top it off, I'm clenching my teeth harder. My Sleepyhead charts show I'm having a lot of leakage. I don't mouth breathe, so I suspect I will have to go back to the small nose pillow instead of the XS (which is more comfortable). Look at this wild night!
Sorry to hear you had such a hard night. It won't always be so much effort. There are solutions for all these little pesky problems that come up. I would just keep searching this forum for each issue. I've had 9 yrs experience with CPAP, and overcame many pesky little problems. On the other hand, my machine is old. People on this forum seem to have the latest and greatest tips. But here's what I've got for what it's worth:

Sleepless night: You could try to gradually increase the number of hours you attempt to use the PAP. (I woke up and found that I had torn the mask off in the middle of the night a couple times.)

Dry nose: I struggle with dry nose. Nose pillows were just way too much air directed right in my nose. I opted for a full face mask at first. Then they came out with ones that go over your mouth and just have holes for your nose in the top of the mouth cushion. That works well for me. For dryness, I use cocoanut oil in my nose, but one doc cautioned me against using food oils, because they can feed bacteria if food gets blown into your sinuses. Pugsy on here recommended lanolin cream, like breastfeeding mothers use for nipples.

Dry throat: No pointers, except that I wonder if nasal pillows direct air too directly into the throat.

Wet nose... Wet hose? And fluttering noise: I have gotten the fluttering noise when I've put the PAP on the floor (much lower than the mattress), when I've filled the humidifier too full, when the humidifier is not set warm enough, or in cold weather. The fluttering can be the water fluttering, or a flap from the hose into the mask getting hit with water drops. You could try taking the hose off and blowing through it to dry it. You could also try heated hoses (I think they are standard now. If your hose snaps in in some way when you connect it to the machine, it's heated. The snap in part is where it connects the heating mechanism. The non-heated hoses just slip on to the connecter on the machine.) If you don't have a heated hose, I'm sure you can get one. But there are also flannel hose covers called "Hose Huggies" from MARS. I used to have a hose dryer-thing that pulls some cloth through the hose to dry it. But I didn't end up using it much. If I had two hoses I'd just switch. But all that became passe when they came out with the heated hoses. I assume you have one?

High pressure, hard to exhale: Pugsy taught me how to set the EPR pressure so that the machine gives less pressure when you exhale. Before that, when I was getting used to it, sometimes I'd lift the mask off my face and take a few breaths without the air, just to "press the reset button" on my lungs. If the pressure is high, I will also turn off the machine and turn it back on. That way, it starts the pressure ramp-up over again. They know it's hard to fall asleep to high pressure. That's why they make ramp-ups. You could check that your machine's ramp up time is as long as you'd like it to be. You can also try getting used to breathing through it by putting it on a bit during the day, like 20 minutes while watching a movie or something. Just so that you're "getting used to it" time isn't all during the time when you really need your sleep. (There are trade offs in everything, though. Some people have problems swallowing air, and say not to have the machine on too much when you're not asleep, because you swallow more. I never had this problem at first, and they used to recommend watching a movie or something to get used to it. I only had to do that once or twice my first week and then I was used to breathing with it. I remember being in the medical supplier's office getting fit with it. He turned on the pressure and then asked me a question. I couldn't talk with the air blowing in my mouth. Thought he was crazy thinking I could. But now I can talk through the mask with the machine on just fine. It's just like riding a bike or something. Hard and first but becomes natural.)

Leakage: I wouldn't worry too much about leakage at first. Just getting used to tolerating the machine is a good step 1. Improving the effectiveness of the machine can be step 2.

Mask fit and leakage: Remember that leaks can come from masks being too loose OR too tight. Gotta find the balance. For me, nose pillows didn't work for pressure and leak reasons. If it was just barely tight enough not to leak, it was too much pressure upward on my nose and pinched off my nasal passage. Have you tried different kinds of masks? (Sorry if you already said that and I forgot. Can't seem to see the original post in the "topic review" window below as I type this.) Finding a mask that works for you is a process for a lot of people.


Speaking of happy mediums, I hope I don't overwhelm you with too many ideas. It can seem like such a huge world of problems and solutions that it's overwhelming. But if you just take one problem at a time, they do get crossed off your list. For me, the CPAP became a comfort. It would be my body's "sleep que" telling me that it's time for sleep now.

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Wed Jul 25, 2018 1:53 pm

Bigtonguehypopnea wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:54 am
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 10:49 am
This morning I got out of bed and cried. I had a bad, sleepless night. The mask and the pressure was making me crazy and couldn't get to sleep! Very dry nose/throat one hour (woke me up)....very wet nose and fluttering noise (rain?) the next hour (woke me up).....pressure up to 12 next hour and couldn't exhale against it (woke me up). I seem to be going backwards and I'm having to take more sleep medication than I want to to get ANY rest....and to top it off, I'm clenching my teeth harder. My Sleepyhead charts show I'm having a lot of leakage. I don't mouth breathe, so I suspect I will have to go back to the small nose pillow instead of the XS (which is more comfortable). Look at this wild night!



Speaking of happy mediums, I hope I don't overwhelm you with too many ideas. It can seem like such a huge world of problems and solutions that it's overwhelming. But if you just take one problem at a time, they do get crossed off your list. For me, the CPAP became a comfort. It would be my body's "sleep que" telling me that it's time for sleep now.
Thank you so much for all the advice! I hope like crazy I will one day see my CPAP as comfort! I've considered a face mask but I'm not ready to tolerate another change right now. Bet I'll learn to tolerate it if I have many more nights like last night! :lol:

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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by clenchingtobreathe » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:55 am

My Sleepyhead read out is starting to look repetitive...so I guess that's a good thing! Can you explain the CA's which are there every night? They seem to be located around times I know I have been going into or out of sleep. Is it a concern? Also is the AHI determined based on both OAs and CA's? How do I get an AHI of 1.16 when the graph only shows one OA event?
I'm also proud to announce that I slept a bit better last night! Nothing to start bragging about yet and still using a small dose of sleep medication to get there, but I'll take whatever I can get! Still clenching my teeth, though (ARGH!!) and I guess I'm gonna have to seal my lips as that seems to be the thing now that wakes me the most! Boy can I still feel the mask on my face this morning!!! :lol: Do you "Old-timers" remember THAT sensation?
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Re: Teeth Clenching & CPAP Newbie

Post by ChicagoGranny » Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:10 am

clenchingtobreathe wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:55 am
Can you explain the CA's which are there every night? They seem to be located around times I know I have been going into or out of sleep. Is it a concern? Also is the AHI determined based on both OAs and CA's? How do I get an AHI of 1.16 when the graph only shows one OA event?
The AHI is the average hourly sum of all the OAs, CAs and Hs. Click on the SH Events tab and take a look at the length of the CAs. You would have something to worry about only if they are very long -> 60+ seconds.

Your AHI is excellent. You are treated well with a low pressure.
clenchingtobreathe wrote:
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Still clenching my teeth, though (ARGH!!)
Why don't you try a teeth protector? A small, cheap, simple one - example - https://www.walmart.com/ip/Universal-Ni ... /394781932