Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

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Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by mahalo111 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:01 pm

After years of using cpap and careful consideration of what is actually causing my obstructive sleep apnea and I emphasize MY as I obviously can't speak for anyone else, I realized a few things.

1. I was a chronic mouth breather as my nasal passages were generally not clear most of the time.

2. When I breathe though my mouth at night without cpap, my mouth gets extremely dry and irritated causing inflammation in the back of my throat.

All this begged the question, What if I were to breathe through my nose at night? is it possible to do this after breathing through my mouth my entire life? Over the next few months I trained myself to breathe through my nose at night whenever it was clear. Yes it is possible by consciously going to sleep with your mouth completely closed and if my mouth opened which was often in the beginning it habitually did, The breathing issues would wake me up as always but I would remind myself to close my mouth and start again. Eventually I was able to breathe an entire night through my nose and incredibly when I did this, I had zero apnea issues. I didn't snore, no headaches in the morning, no waking up at night, Honestly feeling as refreshed as when I was using the cpap. I even had my wife watch me while I slept to confirm this. The problem still however was that it was only times that my nasal passages were completely clear that I could do this. Unfortunately this is not often as I suffer from many allergies and a narrow nasal passage boot.

Now I know this is not a recommended solution but weighing it against wearing a cpap the rest of my life I tried using a nasal decongestant on the stuffed up nights along with an over the counter antihistamine. A Miracle honestly. Since I have been doing this I have had no issues with sleep apnea any longer. I do worry about the longterm effectiveness of the nasal decongestant as it is not recommended for more than a week. I ONLY use it on nights like I say that I'm stuffed up and even if I'm stuffy during the day I refrain from using it.

I have also started to lose weight which I think will also help. Honestly if you are overweight and have sleep apnea as I am, this really should be your first commitment to yourself. Lose the weight and you may well lose the apnea problem.

Again, please don't take my advice here as I am not a medical professional and I just want to let others know my experience with sleep apnea. Hopefully it will help someone along the way.

Aloha!

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Re: Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by LSAT » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 pm

mahalo111 wrote:After years of using cpap and careful consideration of what is actually causing my obstructive sleep apnea and I emphasize MY as I obviously can't speak for anyone else, I realized a few things.

1. I was a chronic mouth breather as my nasal passages were generally not clear most of the time.

2. When I breathe though my mouth at night without cpap, my mouth gets extremely dry and irritated causing inflammation in the back of my throat.

All this begged the question, What if I were to breathe through my nose at night? is it possible to do this after breathing through my mouth my entire life? Over the next few months I trained myself to breathe through my nose at night whenever it was clear. Yes it is possible by consciously going to sleep with your mouth completely closed and if my mouth opened which was often in the beginning it habitually did, The breathing issues would wake me up as always but I would remind myself to close my mouth and start again. Eventually I was able to breathe an entire night through my nose and incredibly when I did this, I had zero apnea issues. I didn't snore, no headaches in the morning, no waking up at night, Honestly feeling as refreshed as when I was using the cpap. I even had my wife watch me while I slept to confirm this. The problem still however was that it was only times that my nasal passages were completely clear that I could do this. Unfortunately this is not often as I suffer from many allergies and a narrow nasal passage boot.

Now I know this is not a recommended solution but weighing it against wearing a cpap the rest of my life I tried using a nasal decongestant on the stuffed up nights along with an over the counter antihistamine A Miracle honestly. Since I have been doing this I have had no issues with sleep apnea any longer. I do worry about the longterm effectiveness of the nasal decongestant as it is not recommended for more than a week.

I have also started to lose weight which I think will also help. Honestly if you are overweight and have sleep apnea as I am, this really should be your first commitment to yourself. Lose the weight and you may well lose the apnea problem.

Again, please don't take my advice here as I am not a medical professional and I just want to let others know my experience with sleep apnea. Hopefully it will help someone along the way.

Aloha!
You can't know this for sure unless you have had another sleep study.

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Re: Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by LSAT » Wed Jul 26, 2017 8:02 pm

xxyzx wrote:
LSAT wrote:
mahalo111 wrote:After years of using cpap and careful consideration of what is actually causing my obstructive sleep apnea and I emphasize MY as I obviously can't speak for anyone else, I realized a few things.

1. I was a chronic mouth breather as my nasal passages were generally not clear most of the time.

2. When I breathe though my mouth at night without cpap, my mouth gets extremely dry and irritated causing inflammation in the back of my throat.

All this begged the question, What if I were to breathe through my nose at night? is it possible to do this after breathing through my mouth my entire life? Over the next few months I trained myself to breathe through my nose at night whenever it was clear. Yes it is possible by consciously going to sleep with your mouth completely closed and if my mouth opened which was often in the beginning it habitually did, The breathing issues would wake me up as always but I would remind myself to close my mouth and start again. Eventually I was able to breathe an entire night through my nose and incredibly when I did this, I had zero apnea issues. I didn't snore, no headaches in the morning, no waking up at night, Honestly feeling as refreshed as when I was using the cpap. I even had my wife watch me while I slept to confirm this. The problem still however was that it was only times that my nasal passages were completely clear that I could do this. Unfortunately this is not often as I suffer from many allergies and a narrow nasal passage boot.

Now I know this is not a recommended solution but weighing it against wearing a cpap the rest of my life I tried using a nasal decongestant on the stuffed up nights along with an over the counter antihistamine A Miracle honestly. Since I have been doing this I have had no issues with sleep apnea any longer. I do worry about the longterm effectiveness of the nasal decongestant as it is not recommended for more than a week.

I have also started to lose weight which I think will also help. Honestly if you are overweight and have sleep apnea as I am, this really should be your first commitment to yourself. Lose the weight and you may well lose the apnea problem.

Again, please don't take my advice here as I am not a medical professional and I just want to let others know my experience with sleep apnea. Hopefully it will help someone along the way.

Aloha!
You can't know this for sure unless you have had another sleep study.
xxyzx knows a lot more than lsat who knows diddly

and xyzxz know what he doesnt know
lsat only knows that if he believes it then it must be true no matter what
The person that claims he knows a lot doesn't even know that the alphabet ends in xyz.

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Re: Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by Julie » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:21 pm

Get another sleep study - LSAT's correct and xyz spouts gibberish.

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Re: Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by Gerald? » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:42 pm

mahalo111 wrote: Now I know this is not a recommended solution but weighing it against wearing a cpap the rest of my life I tried using a nasal decongestant on the stuffed up nights along with an over the counter antihistamine. A Miracle honestly. Since I have been doing this I have had no issues with sleep apnea any longer. I do worry about the longterm effectiveness of the nasal decongestant as it is not recommended for more than a week. I ONLY use it on nights like I say that I'm stuffed up and even if I'm stuffy during the day I refrain from using it.
Not sure it is a great idea to stop using the CPAP until you have done a sleep study to confirm. Did your CPAP data show you were having no events before you stopped using it?

Having said that, I too had very similar nasal issues to you before I got my CPAP treatment working effectively. Now it no longer seems to be an issue unless I have a very bad cold. I used anti-histamine and decongestants for a while but then someone taught me this trick to do just before going to sleep.

Take a normal breath in
Let a little bit of air out
Hold your breath
Hold until about 5 seconds after your first desire to take a breath.
When you start breathing again, breathe only though your nose (even if it is still blocked) and as gently as possible. You don't want to be able to hear (and only barely feel) air coming in your nose.
If your nose is not clearer, repeat this a few times with about 15 seconds break between each time.

I found if I did this I could at least get one nostril clear fairly quickly and then if I kept breathing only though my nose (on CPAP of course!) it stayed clear all night.

See if it works for you.

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Re: Not necessarily a cure, but his seems to be working for me.

Post by Turner » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:21 pm

mahalo111 wrote: I do worry about the longterm effectiveness of the nasal decongestant as it is not recommended for more than a week. I ONLY use it on nights like I say that I'm stuffed up and even if I'm stuffy during the day I refrain from using it.
If this is nasal decongestant is Afrin or the generic equivalent I would be very careful. Lookup Afrin addiction and rebound affect...... It sucks ....