Improving Brain Function

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Improving Brain Function

Post by 49er » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:34 am

Thanks to FB group I belong to, I found out about this site for improving brain function.

http://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/

http://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/about/ - Blog site owner writes about his motivation for starting the site which I think is important to read so you understand his perspective. He talks about how doctors failed him regarding his brain issues and how he realized it was up to him to be proactive and solve his problems. He is not against drugs but feels they are way overprescribed.

Obviously, a person has to be careful when starting out on supplements. Since my oncology nurse had already approved it, I have decided to resume taking fish oil capsules again and am already hopeful, they may help. But I am being very cautious and will only take one per day for 3 to 7 days before I ponder increasing the dose.

But there are also lot of excellent suggestions on foods to eat that improve brain health and ones to avoid.

And the site is free just do you know. There is a link you can click on to work with him but it doesn't stand out unlike sites of other health professionals. In other words, he is not blatantly advertising this.

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:00 am

49er wrote:Thanks to FB group I belong to, I found out about this site for improving brain function.

http://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/
That dude is into woo. It took about 30 seconds to find he is recommending coconut oil. That is a clear sign that he rejects science and goes for the woo promoted by Big Organic and coconut oil producers.

No matter what is said, the scientific consensus is that coconut oil will clog arteries and does nothing good for brain health.

I am personally embarrassed that I fell for this nonsense and fried eggs in coconut oil for a few years. No more! So, 49er, please don't take my comments personally. I also fell for the woo at one time!

Given that this guy is into that woo, I would not trust anything else he says.

SCIENCE, NOT WOO.
Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney.

https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/he ... r-you.html
Just because both HDL and LDL go up, does not mean coconut oil is heart protective.

Coconut oil manufacturers constantly point a finger to the medium chain saturated fatty acids being used for energy expenditure and therefore not being disposed of as fat in adipose tissue. Coconut oil
does indeed contain medium chain fatty acids and this may be metabolized differently but there are very few studies to make the conclusion that coconut oil is “ok” or that medium chain saturated fats are negligible. A tablespoon of coconut oil has about 12 grams of total saturated fat. about 8 grams of this is medium chain saturated fat and about 3.7 grams of this is long chain saturated fat. We have an abundance of evidence concluding that long chain saturated fats are harmful so we cannot consider this oil a healthy option based on that alone.

As far as minerals and vitamins go, there is not one significant vitamin or mineral in coconut oil. The only vitamin present in a tablespoon of coconut oil is .1 micrograms of vitamin k which does not even register as a percentage of daily value. Its also absent of any omega 3 fats. Just looking at coconut oils nutritional profile we see that it is clearly a junk food. Junk food is by definition empty calories.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-c ... -arteries/

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/508/2

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by chunkyfrog » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:54 am

I fried my eggs in coconut oil---ONCE. Eeeeew!
I went back to bacon drippings or real butter.

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Not Fade » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:24 am

the scientific consensus is that coconut oil will clog arteries and does nothing good for brain health.[ quote]

This is correct. There is no reason for anyone to use coconut oil. That reference is good where the guy says coconut oil is junk food. Wikipedia has lots of references about the harmful effects of saturated fats. Don't check a few poorly executed studies that contradict this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated ... ontroversy

I use olive oil and peanut oil.

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Don't follow this guy's advice. Check with your doctor. His advice could be dangerous.
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High levels of β-sitosterol concentrations in blood have been correlated with increased severity of heart disease in men having previously suffered from heart attacks. Further evaluations are warranted to confirm these preliminary findings.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16399487

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ajack » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:58 pm

coconut oil isn't the savior of mankind or its destroyer.
perhaps if you call it MCT medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids it may help.

anyone thinking fat clogs arteries, needs to read more. the data from the 70's wasn't right. But the grain and sugar industry loved it.
the evidence is that a high carb diet builds blood triglycerides and high fat reduces blood triglycerides

need to copy paste, forum sofware breaks link
nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(14)00332-3/abstract?cc=y=

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Lucyhere » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:58 pm

xxyzx wrote:transfats are the bad one

saturated fats not so much

To be clear: Transfats are known to be the bad ones... with saturated fats not much better.
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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by HoseCrusher » Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:32 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
49er wrote:Thanks to FB group I belong to, I found out about this site for improving brain function.

http://www.optimallivingdynamics.com/
That dude is into woo. It took about 30 seconds to find he is recommending coconut oil. That is a clear sign that he rejects science and goes for the woo promoted by Big Organic and coconut oil producers.

No matter what is said, the scientific consensus is that coconut oil will clog arteries and does nothing good for brain health.

I am personally embarrassed that I fell for this nonsense and fried eggs in coconut oil for a few years. No more! So, 49er, please don't take my comments personally. I also fell for the woo at one time!

Given that this guy is into that woo, I would not trust anything else he says.

SCIENCE, NOT WOO.
Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney.

https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/he ... r-you.html
Just because both HDL and LDL go up, does not mean coconut oil is heart protective.

Coconut oil manufacturers constantly point a finger to the medium chain saturated fatty acids being used for energy expenditure and therefore not being disposed of as fat in adipose tissue. Coconut oil
does indeed contain medium chain fatty acids and this may be metabolized differently but there are very few studies to make the conclusion that coconut oil is “ok” or that medium chain saturated fats are negligible. A tablespoon of coconut oil has about 12 grams of total saturated fat. about 8 grams of this is medium chain saturated fat and about 3.7 grams of this is long chain saturated fat. We have an abundance of evidence concluding that long chain saturated fats are harmful so we cannot consider this oil a healthy option based on that alone.

As far as minerals and vitamins go, there is not one significant vitamin or mineral in coconut oil. The only vitamin present in a tablespoon of coconut oil is .1 micrograms of vitamin k which does not even register as a percentage of daily value. Its also absent of any omega 3 fats. Just looking at coconut oils nutritional profile we see that it is clearly a junk food. Junk food is by definition empty calories.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-c ... -arteries/

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/508/2


Speaking of woo...

The Pritikin people seem to totally ignore science and promote their own version of woo...

https://theskepticalcardiologist.com/ta ... ty-center/

Given a choice between the Pritikin approach to diet and using coconut oil, I go for the coconut oil every time. I don't believe Nathan Pritikin enjoyed a long life nor did he appear to have a high quality of life in spite of trying to adhere to his dietary approach.

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Not Fade » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:23 am

ajack wrote:coconut oil isn't the savior of mankind or its destroyer.
perhaps if you call it MCT medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids it may help.

anyone thinking fat clogs arteries, needs to read more. the data from the 70's wasn't right. But the grain and sugar industry loved it.
the evidence is that a high carb diet builds blood triglycerides and high fat reduces blood triglycerides

need to copy paste, forum sofware breaks link
nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(14)00332-3/abstract?cc=y=
This is typical of people who go for the woo while ignoring the overwhelming scientific consensus. You are using reductio ad absurdum argument. You want to compare your coconut oil to a high carb diet. No one has suggested a high carb diet. Why don't you compare your woo coconut diet to a balanced diet?
coconut oil isn't the savior of mankind or its destroyer.
perhaps if you call it MCT medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids it may help.
Another example of reductio ad absurdum argument. No one has used the silly phrase "destroyer of mankind". Your rhetoric shows you have nothing factual to present.

Coconut oil is a junk food that will contribute to clogging of the arteries.
HoseCrusher wrote:Given a choice between the Pritikin approach to diet and using coconut oil, I go for the coconut oil every time. I don't believe Nathan Pritikin enjoyed a long life nor did he appear to have a high quality of life in spite of trying to adhere to his dietary approach.
Here is another example of reductio ad absurdum argument. You need to compare coconut oil to another bad diet. You don't dare compare it to a well balanced, nutritious diet. You fall for the woo and ignore the scientific consensus.

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Goofproof » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:22 am

You can tell by the smellwhen frying things in it Bacon Grease is the best! Jim
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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ajack » Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:42 pm

Not Fade wrote:
ajack wrote:coconut oil isn't the savior of mankind or its destroyer.
perhaps if you call it MCT medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids it may help.

anyone thinking fat clogs arteries, needs to read more. the data from the 70's wasn't right. But the grain and sugar industry loved it.
the evidence is that a high carb diet builds blood triglycerides and high fat reduces blood triglycerides

need to copy paste, forum sofware breaks link
nutritionjrnl.com/article/S0899-9007(14)00332-3/abstract?cc=y=
This is typical of people who go for the woo while ignoring the overwhelming scientific consensus. You are using reductio ad absurdum argument. You want to compare your coconut oil to a high carb diet. No one has suggested a high carb diet. Why don't you compare your woo coconut diet to a balanced diet?
coconut oil isn't the savior of mankind or its destroyer.
perhaps if you call it MCT medium chain triglycerides/fatty acids it may help.
Another example of reductio ad absurdum argument. No one has used the silly phrase "destroyer of mankind". Your rhetoric shows you have nothing factual to present.

Coconut oil is a junk food that will contribute to clogging of the arteries.
HoseCrusher wrote:Given a choice between the Pritikin approach to diet and using coconut oil, I go for the coconut oil every time. I don't believe Nathan Pritikin enjoyed a long life nor did he appear to have a high quality of life in spite of trying to adhere to his dietary approach.
Here is another example of reductio ad absurdum argument. You need to compare coconut oil to another bad diet. You don't dare compare it to a well balanced, nutritious diet. You fall for the woo and ignore the scientific consensus.
I thought I was clear enough in my neutral response to coconut oil? I don't ignore science and why I have reevaluated my lifetime held view, that fats are bad. We were sold a sick puppy.
The only fats I don't eat now are trans, including margarine and the high poly grain oils, canola/rape is the only one of that group I use.

stay away from the high blue fats/oils
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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:17 pm

Here is the kind of "science" a few on here rely on - https://www.facebook.com/healthyandnatu ... f=NEWSFEED

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ajack » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Is it 'trolling for fun day' in the US?

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Bill44133 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:02 pm

I have done some reading on coconut oil.. They say the coconut has ketones which helps the brain.

Lots of information out about it:

http://www.alzheimers.net/2013-05-29/co ... lzheimers/

https://www.agingcare.com/articles/coco ... 157103.htm

This article is about a doctor who's husband alzheimers at a young age: https://coconutketones.com/


Lots of interesting information out there.

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by ajack » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:22 am

you really need to read about ketogenic to see how the brain can use ketones for fuel instead of all glucose. ketones come from fat metabolising. A current average diet with some coconut oil added won't do much.
https://www.scribd.com/document/3330101 ... 242-1-Keto

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Re: Improving Brain Function

Post by Midnight Strangler » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:33 am

ajack wrote:you really need to read about ketogenic to see how the brain can use ketones for fuel instead of all glucose. ketones come from fat metabolising. A current average diet with some coconut oil added won't do much.
https://www.scribd.com/document/3330101 ... 242-1-Keto
All anyone has to do is read the short ending summary paragraph. The authors of the study say their study reveals nothing about the human diet - neither what is good nor what is not good.