Mask airfit p10 re nose

[Novello1234]

Hi I am new just gently tried this mask early this week my nostril around red and bit sore inside has anyone experienced this and what have you gone live the mask

[TASmart]

It is n not unusual to have some irritation in your nares as you start to use Nasal Pillows. Most here recommend Lansinoh for the irritation, which is a lanolin based product used to help sooth and heal irritated nipples when breast feeding. I have also used bag balm, which is was developed to sooth irritated teats on livestock. For either, a little goes a long way, use sparingly.

[Novello1234]

The first product u mentioned is that a cream and can I buy it at the pharmacy I put some Vaseline as I font have any creams

[Pugsy]

Vaseline is a petroleum based product and may not be the best thing for putting in your nose (bad for lungs if it gets inhaled) and it can maybe shorten the life of the nasal pillows.

Lansinoh ointment/cream is usually found in the baby aisle of most stores. Used by breastfeeding moms on their nipples...so safe for mom, baby and nasal pillows.
WalMart has it in the aisle with all the baby nipples, pacifiers, etc.
Tiny bit at night to help with chafing...the nostrils are virgin territory...never had anything rub up against them really.
So tiny bit at night and a lot during the day to help with chafing.

Watch the fitting videos and consider changing size of nasal pillow. At most some vary minor tenderness is normal...anything more than that like abrasions or open sores or blisters points to either improper fit or improper size nasal pillow being used.
The most common error is people have things too tight and the nasal pillows gets crammed into the nostril...it should rest gently on the outside of the nostril with the only part of it inside the nostril being the tip of that inner cone and it shouldn't touch anything inside the nose.

[palerider]

I have also used bag balm, which is was developed to sooth irritated teats on livestock. .

if you look at the ingredients, you'll find that's a bad idea.

[Novello1234]

What ingredients also this happened on fourth day also I am wondering if one might I forgot to put enough water in the machine

[Pugsy]

If you look at the ingredients for "Bag Balm" one is Petroleum jelly.
Usually Petroleum based products aren't considered as good ideas for a couple of reasons. It reportedly can degrade silicone over time though to be honest I don't know if the small amount we might use would be all that much of a problem but if you add in the more than likely need to wash the stuff off the mask...might shorten life span.
The main reason I personally would avoid petroleum based products is because of lipid pneumonia. While the chances of inhaling the petroleum stuff is probably fairly minimal I just wouldn't want to risk it myself. Especially when there is a safer alternative available.

Now short term in a pinch type of use...probably not going to be that big of an issue but I would be very careful and getting something safer as quickly as I could.

As to moisture or lack of contributing to the nostril soreness. If you didn't run out of water and end up using the machine without water in the chamber for a prolonged period of time...maybe it played a factor but usually when nostrils get rubbed raw or sore...improper fit or size is the main culprit.

[Novello1234]

What is nah bilm

[TASmart]

If you look at the ingredients for "Bag Balm" one is Petroleum jelly.
Usually Petroleum based products aren't considered as good ideas for a couple of reasons. It reportedly can degrade silicone over time though to be honest I don't know if the small amount we might use would be all that much of a problem but if you add in the more than likely need to wash the stuff off the mask...might shorten life span.
The main reason I personally would avoid petroleum based products is because of lipid pneumonia. While the chances of inhaling the petroleum stuff is probably fairly minimal I just wouldn't want to risk it myself. Especially when there is a safer alternative available.

Now short term in a pinch type of use...probably not going to be that big of an issue but I would be very careful and getting something safer as quickly as I could.

As to moisture or lack of contributing to the nostril soreness. If you didn't run out of water and end up using the machine without water in the chamber for a prolonged period of time...maybe it played a factor but usually when nostrils get rubbed raw or sore...improper fit or size is the main culprit.

Lanolin is a fat based insoluble product derived from lambs wool. Petroleum Jelly is a fat based product purified from Petroleum. Since both are fats, there is little likelihood that one is more likely to cause lipoid pneumonia than the other. Since they are both fats, it is not very likely that one would cause greater degradation of the silicone in the mask than the other. Oh by the way, I do have a degree in Chemistry. Unfortunately I don't play a Professional Engineer here or on TV.

[Pugsy]

Lanolin is a fat based insoluble product derived from lambs wool. Petroleum Jelly is a fat based product purified from Petroleum. Since both are fats, there is little likelihood that one is more likely to cause lipoid pneumonia than the other. Since they are both fats, it is not very likely that one would cause greater degradation of the silicone in the mask than the other. Oh by the way, I do have a degree in Chemistry. Unfortunately I don't play a Professional Engineer here or on TV.

I don't know how real or big the risk is for the lipid pneumonia thing is. I do know that many years ago there were warnings in medical facilities about using petroleum based products around the face where they could "maybe" get inhaled in some fashion. I have been out of the medical business for some years now so I haven't kept up with all the ins and outs and risks of petroleum. Is that warning no longer considered valid....I don't know.

I offered the explanation as why petroleum products are considered no nos with cpap stuff because people ask "why can't I use Vaseline" because invariably someone asks. Not so much because it is my personal opinion as it is the opinion of the medical community itself.
Years ago when I first started cpap therapy there was such a lipid pneumonia warning at the Mayo Clinic. Yeah likely ultra conservative medical community but that's just the way some areas are.

Now if someone doesn't agree with the "why not"...hey, I honestly don't care. I offer the pros and cons and whys or why nots and they get to choose what they want to do. I am just explaining why things have been advised this way in the past. To be honest I personally always thought it was a bit of a stretch and unwarranted scare tactic but just because I personal felt it was a stupid thing doesn't make me go telling other people that it is safe to do when the medical community says it isn't or has said in the past that it isn't.
Petroleum products...potential risk even though probably very small.
Lansinoh lanolin product...hey, it's used around babies noses and mouths and has been for a long time. Given safety regulations when it comes to babies and stuff used around babies...so I assume a much smaller risk and since it is available (sometimes along side Vaseline) easily I opt to use that product and/or recommend its use over Vaseline. As far as I can tell the biggest difference is the price of the product...Vaseline cheap...Lansinoh not cheap. But since such a tiny amount of Lansinoh is used and it will last a long time and I always felt that I was worth the extra cost in anything....that's what I would use and what I offer as a solution for nostril issues.

After all here at this forum that is what everyone does....offer ideas based on what they use or would use for anything.

Oh...congratulations on your degree in chemistry.
Mine was in the medical field but I did do a little bit of dabbling in chemistry....I just never thought it was all that important part to mention it as verification of how much weight my comments should carry since most of what I say is really nothing more than common sense anyway.

[TASmart]

Lanolin is a fat based insoluble product derived from lambs wool. Petroleum Jelly is a fat based product purified from Petroleum. Since both are fats, there is little likelihood that one is more likely to cause lipoid pneumonia than the other. Since they are both fats, it is not very likely that one would cause greater degradation of the silicone in the mask than the other. Oh by the way, I do have a degree in Chemistry. Unfortunately I don't play a Professional Engineer here or on TV.

I don't know how real or big the risk is for the lipid pneumonia thing is. I do know that many years ago there were warnings in medical facilities about using petroleum based products around the face where they could "maybe" get inhaled in some fashion. I have been out of the medical business for some years now so I haven't kept up with all the ins and outs and risks of petroleum. Is that warning no longer considered valid....I don't know.

I offered the explanation as why petroleum products are considered no nos with cpap stuff because people ask "why can't I use Vaseline" because invariably someone asks. Not so much because it is my personal opinion as it is the opinion of the medical community itself.
Years ago when I first started cpap therapy there was such a lipid pneumonia warning at the Mayo Clinic. Yeah likely ultra conservative medical community but that's just the way some areas are.

Now if someone doesn't agree with the "why not"...hey, I honestly don't care. I offer the pros and cons and whys or why nots and they get to choose what they want to do. I am just explaining why things have been advised this way in the past. To be honest I personally always thought it was a bit of a stretch and unwarranted scare tactic but just because I personal felt it was a stupid thing doesn't make me go telling other people that it is safe to do when the medical community says it isn't or has said in the past that it isn't.
Petroleum products...potential risk even though probably very small.
Lansinoh lanolin product...hey, it's used around babies noses and mouths and has been for a long time. Given safety regulations when it comes to babies and stuff used around babies...so I assume a much smaller risk and since it is available (sometimes along side Vaseline) easily I opt to use that product and/or recommend its use over Vaseline. As far as I can tell the biggest difference is the price of the product...Vaseline cheap...Lansinoh not cheap. But since such a tiny amount of Lansinoh is used and it will last a long time and I always felt that I was worth the extra cost in anything....that's what I would use and what I offer as a solution for nostril issues.

After all here at this forum that is what everyone does....offer ideas based on what they use or would use for anything.

Oh...congratulations on your degree in chemistry.
Mine was in the medical field but I did do a little bit of dabbling in chemistry....I just never thought it was all that important part to mention it as verification of how much weight my comments should carry since most of what I say is really nothing more than common sense anyway.

Based on a lot of posts on this forum, not from Pugsy, I felt it best to state that my opinions on lipids required some form of validation for the technical content. No way did I mean that as a "brag" just support for my disagreeing with some of the regulars and how newbies knowledge is discounted. As far as the lipoid pneumonia, looks to me like if you were to use a very sparing amount of any fat based product on nares, risk is minimal, use a glob higher risk. Many people seem to have no ability to understand while some is good, less is better than more. Especially in a hospital setting where patients are not at their cognitive best, or in my case when off CPAP, definitely make me less cogent.

[beet]

I recommend applying hydrocortisone ointment on the irritated area during the day to promote healing and reduce inflammation. (I'm surprised I haven’t seen this recommendation here.)

That can be in addition to, or instead of, applying any of the ointments recommended above during sleep.