IMPORTANT, Migraines and REM sleep, please read

[Ursego]

Now I use the air fit p10 nasal pillow, at least can get me sleep a couple of hours, less headache. But the nasal tip is too hard sometimes it makes my nose very un-comfortable, and hard to sleep.

Previously, I used a nasal pillows mask (P10) inserting thе prominent parts (the pillows) into my nostrils (that's how they are supposed to work: the pillows partially stay outside, but partially go into). It was very inconvenient - my nose was "exploded" from inside. In fact, I slept with that mask only a few nights. A couple of times I changed the mask to another type a few minutes after going to bed. I always used the Small size pillows (thinking that the Large size is for gorillas ). One nice evening, I decised to use the Large pillows, but in a different way. Due to their huge size, it's impossible to insert them in, so they only touched the nose from outside - similar to DreamWear. It was fantastic!!! Extremely convenient!

SORRY FOR OFFTOP.

[palerider]

Previously, I used a nasal pillows mask (P10) inserting thе prominent parts (the pillows) into my nostrils (that's how they are supposed to work: the pillows partially stay outside, but partially go into).

no

It was very inconvenient - my nose was "exploded" from inside. In fact, I slept with that mask only a few nights. A couple of times I changed the mask to another type a few minutes after going to bed. I always used the Small size pillows (thinking that the Large size is for gorillas ). One nice evening, I decised to use the Large pillows, but in a different way. Due to their huge size, it's impossible to insert them in, so they only touched the nose from outside - similar to DreamWear. It was fantastic!!! Extremely convenient!.

if the nasal pillows go into your nose, you're using too small a size.

simple. the hint is in the word.. "pillow", just like a pillow on the bed, it rests against your head, nasal pillows rest against your nose.

[Ursego]

Previously, I used a nasal pillows mask (P10) inserting thе prominent parts (the pillows) into my nostrils (that's how they are supposed to work: the pillows partially stay outside, but partially go into).

no

I definitely love that peremptory "no"!

OK, let's read the ResMed site:

Hold the pillows away from your nose ensuring that the pillow size (eg, M) with the left (L) and right (R) indicators are correctly facing towards you then guide the nasal pillows into your nostrils(L into your left nostril, R into your right nostril). Pull the headgear over your head by holding the bottom strap and stretching it around the back of your head. The top strap should sit comfortably on top of your head. Tip! There are raised logos on top of the frame so you can feel the correct way up when fitting in the dark.
Move the mask away from your face then place it back to get a comfortable fit. Ensure the nasal pillows fit securely into your nostrils with both pillows positioned upright.

[palerider]

Previously, I used a nasal pillows mask (P10) inserting thе prominent parts (the pillows) into my nostrils (that's how they are supposed to work: the pillows partially stay outside, but partially go into).

no

I definitely love that peremptory "no"!

OK, let's read the ResMed site:

Hold the pillows away from your nose ensuring that the pillow size (eg, M) with the left (L) and right (R) indicators are correctly facing towards you then guide the nasal pillows into your nostrils(L into your left nostril, R into your right nostril). Pull the headgear over your head by holding the bottom strap and stretching it around the back of your head. The top strap should sit comfortably on top of your head. Tip! There are raised logos on top of the frame so you can feel the correct way up when fitting in the dark.
Move the mask away from your face then place it back to get a comfortable fit. Ensure the nasal pillows fit securely into your nostrils with both pillows positioned upright.

I'm sorry you're unable to comprehend the proper concepts. do what you like, but your misinformation will be corrected so that it doesn't mislead others.

perhaps you'll be able to understand pictures and video better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs4v1Lk3FyM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J4YDKszEpA
note that the pillows don't go into the nostrils, only the tips of them.

[JaneAsimov]

The headaches most of us get pre-Cpap are NOT migraines. They are pressure like, but short-lived, usually going away within a couple of hours after awakening. Of course some may have stronger and longer ones than others, but they are basically the result of low 02, high BP (which tends to come down once on Cpap) etc. Their origins may be similar to true migraines, but don't usually ever reach the level of pain or length of time and don't have auras. Lack of sleep may trigger migraine protein problems, but that's a different story. And anecdotal evidence of anything is not usually considered in the same way as true research. And using the terms 'headache' and 'migraine' interchangeably, randomly should not be done. They are not the same thing.

Wow, who tied a knot in your hose?! I'm looking for some encouragement and support, not nitpicking. When I said "headaches/migraines" I meant that I get both, not that they're the same thing. Kind of weird that you're pointing that out anyway, who cares, many OSA suffers get both? I'm not going to waste my afternoon arguing about the evidence I posted either, since I referenced anecdotal evidence IN ADDITION to several scientific studies. Go find someone else to harass, you're not ruining my day

Hi Jane. welcome to the forum. Please don't pay any attention to Julie. She is an embarrassment to us all.

I found the articles you posted extremely interesting. I have suffered from several types of headaches all my life. When sleep-deprived, I will always have at least a nagging headache. CPAP has been a godsend for me. I always thought there was a connection between headaches and sleep problems. I am so glad to see some research done on the subject. I also had some other annoying issues like Nocturia, acid reflex, sore throats in the morning, and nasal congestion. CPAP therapy has greatly reduced or eliminated these.

I am happy to hear that you have become a CPAP user and are getting some headache relief.

Thank you! I'm glad to hear that CPAP has helped you. I'm still having a hard time finding a mask that works for me. They gave the DreamWear, and I love how it feels, but I keep opening my mouth when I sleep, which wakes me up gasping for air. After work I'm going to go try on a chinstrap, and a full face mask (which I tried before and it didn't work, so, we'll see..)I know I'm a mouth breather, but often times people mouth breath because of APNEA. I'm hoping I can wear the chinstrap until I start to feel better and then get rid of it. I found the published results of one of the studies I was talking about. Check out the results people had after using it for 2 years. When you click on the link, scroll all the way down to see the study.

https://login.medscape.com/login/sso/ge ... TAy&ac=401

[JaneAsimov]

I have suffered for 70 years with migraines, mine are usually caused by eating something I am sensitive to, here are some links to my triggers.
this may help some that suffer

https://www.google.com/search?q=thyrami ... 8&oe=utf-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=does+so ... 8&oe=utf-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=MSG+cau ... 8&oe=utf-8

Thanks for the help GrayGhost! I use to be able to control my migraines by avoiding triggers but I have them all the time now. Lack of sleep use to be a trigger, so I think that's why, because my sleep is so awful. Hopefully once I become rested I can go back to avoiding my other triggers again, or they will go away too. When your body is in a constant state of stress, headaches are triggered much easier.

[JaneAsimov]

The things that I have to be aware of are red wine and M.S.G. (Monosodium glutamate) Until a few years ago MSG was found in Campbell soups and chinese food.A lot of foods said natural flavoring on their label. It was also MSG. There was a time if I ate in a restaurant and ended up with a migraine, it had to be MSG,

Thanks Bobby. Yeah, red wine kills me. I find I can handle a Pinot Grigio ok though. I hate MSG, it makes my head explode. I noticed that you're in San Antonio. That's where I'm from! But I live in Buffalo now. I miss Texas : (