Early morning loose stools from APNEA or UARS?

[allchokedup]

Hi.. and sorry for the topic.

I've been having to get up quite early (4-4:30 am) to have B.M.'s. This has me worrying what's happening to me. It's been going on for quite some time. I've been taking Immodium or Lomotil before bed to try to control it. Doc ran a stool test showing high magnesium and said to stop taking mag supplements, which I did...to no effect. I've read the paper by Wardley on UARS saying that it can cause (via high ANP levels) magnesium loss.

I also pee 3-4 times per night if I don't take desmopressin before bed.

Would like to hear if anyone else has similar experience?

(currently not treating for OSA or UARS etc)

Thank-you!
michael

[Julie]

You say currently not treating for OSA... you're not on Cpap then? Why not if you need to be (getting up a few times to pee is a classic symptom, usually disappears within few days on Cpap).

I've never heard of diarrhea being a problem however, so would go back to your MD on that. Again, why aren't you on Cpap - or have you not had a sleep study yet?

Leave magnesium out of it for the moment - it's the least of your worries. I take it for other reasons, but only a small amt daily and it doesn't affect bathroom habits.

[Guest]

Would like to hear if anyone else has similar experience?

I had loose stool for yrs. Went to doc, stool sample, physical, etc. doc says all is well.

Fast forward to after starting cpap then loose stools suddenly stopped. Mentioned this to an excellent sleep doc who was surprised to hear that.

I'm gonna say the two are connected.

[D.H.]

It's true that frequent toilet visits for #1 are a known manifestation of OSA. However, you get the urge to urinate because you're awake, rather than being awakened by the urge to urinate. Note that I'm not aware of any connection to #2, especially regarding the composition of stools.

[Julie]

DH, as usual you're so wrong - you have no idea what you're talking about. Urination in OSA is due to heightened blood pressure, which affects the kidneys which then produce more urine... and the urge to 'go' is a direct result. Nothing to do with being awake!

[rohdej]

And don't forget that part about you needing to go because your body is choking it's self to death. I know, that's my body... i guess my body doesn't like me very much. Glad I can tame it every night with CPAP...

[palerider]

However, you get the urge to urinate because you're awake, rather than being awakened by the urge to urinate.

BULLSHIT

[allchokedup]

You say currently not treating for OSA... you're not on Cpap then? Why not if you need to be (getting up a few times to pee is a classic symptom, usually disappears within few days on Cpap).

I've never heard of diarrhea being a problem however, so would go back to your MD on that. Again, why aren't you on Cpap - or have you not had a sleep study yet?

Leave magnesium out of it for the moment - it's the least of your worries. I take it for other reasons, but only a small amt daily and it doesn't affect bathroom habits.

Hi...

I was diagnosed via home study about 2 years ago, tried CPAP, it was a nightmare, so I quit. I'm scheduled to see an ENT to see what they think about my throat and tongue etc.

To be clear, the magnesium is being excreted, whether I take any or not. It's a very important mineral, and I don't want to become deficient (especially cuz I also have MVP and a severe mitral leak.

Thanks!
-m

[allchokedup]

Would like to hear if anyone else has similar experience?

I had loose stool for yrs. Went to doc, stool sample, physical, etc. doc says all is well.

Fast forward to after starting cpap then loose stools suddenly stopped. Mentioned this to an excellent sleep doc who was surprised to hear that.

I'm gonna say the two are connected.

Hi..

Good to hear about your experience. I wonder why some and not others are affected this way...(?) I'm afraid the docs aren't going to have a clue about this.

Really afraid of CPAP (see above post)
Thanks!
-m

[allchokedup]

It's true that frequent toilet visits for #1 are a known manifestation of OSA. However, you get the urge to urinate because you're awake, rather than being awakened by the urge to urinate. Note that I'm not aware of any connection to #2, especially regarding the composition of stools.

Hi...

I've seen Dr. Park say that, but for me, my bladder is usually bursting at the seams. So there may be a few things going on at once in my case...like fluid accumulation in legs which empty out at night when you're horizontal.....

Thanks!
-m

[Julie]

You know, this forum is considered the best there is for helping people do Cpap... really... and if you tell us what problems you had with it we can likely help you to adjust. It's very often the mask that's the problem, but there are so many out there and if you were badly fitted to begin with you don't have to put up with that. Another thing is that doctors, while understanding apnea 'science', know zip about machines or even how to set them usefully, and we could also help there. Why not tell us what went wrong with your experience and see if we can make the difference - nothing to lose. Anytime you start asking ENT surgeons for answers, you very likely end up down a long hole of surgery that mostly ends up not working.

[Pap-Daddy]

Anytime you start asking ENT surgeons for answers, you very likely end up down a long hole of surgery that mostly ends up not working.

So true and you must understand that a surgeon only collects your money when they do surgery. Hope yours doesn't need a boat payment.

[allchokedup]

You know, this forum is considered the best there is for helping people do Cpap... really... and if you tell us what problems you had with it we can likely help you to adjust. It's very often the mask that's the problem, but there are so many out there and if you were badly fitted to begin with you don't have to put up with that. Another thing is that doctors, while understanding apnea 'science', know zip about machines or even how to set them usefully, and we could also help there. Why not tell us what went wrong with your experience and see if we can make the difference - nothing to lose. Anytime you start asking ENT surgeons for answers, you very likely end up down a long hole of surgery that mostly ends up not working.

You may be right, but CPAP didn't seem like it was going to work for me.

I should start a new thread on the problem I had.

Thanks!
-m

[Sylvia54]

You say currently not treating for OSA... you're not on Cpap then? Why not if you need to be (getting up a few times to pee is a classic symptom, usually disappears within few days on Cpap).

I've never heard of diarrhea being a problem however, so would go back to your MD on that. Again, why aren't you on Cpap - or have you not had a sleep study yet?

Leave magnesium out of it for the moment - it's the least of your worries. I take it for other reasons, but only a small amt daily and it doesn't affect bathroom habits.

Hi...

I was diagnosed via home study about 2 years ago, tried CPAP, it was a nightmare, so I quit. I'm scheduled to see an ENT to see what they think about my throat and tongue etc.

To be clear, the magnesium is being excreted, whether I take any or not. It's a very important mineral, and I don't want to become deficient (especially cuz I also have MVP and a severe mitral leak.

Thanks!
-m

Interesting. I also have sleep apnea, MPV, and otherwise unexplained early morning loose stool, like everything goes through me too fast. This has improved somewhat after starting cpap. Sleep apnea affects my nervous system in a big way and seems to speed everything up. (For awhile I thought I had hyperthyroid but thyroid tests normal). Three years ago I was checked out by a gastro clinic, drank the moviprep stuff for a colonoscopy. That night, low and behold, I slept through the night for the first time in months that year. I knew there was something in that moviprep that did it, probably magnesium? Then for the following 10 days or so, I actually slept 7-8 hrs a night and felt pretty good before the insomnia started back up. I started on cpap a few months ago and progress with sleep, etc is slow and intermittent. It has helped my restless legs and numbness disappear most of the time now. Hope the ENT can help you. My ENT told me I have overcrowding at the back of my mouth. I'm sure it's a small airway that causes my sleep breathing disorder. Maybe it's more like UARS than sleep apnea. Like some others who post here, I had crowded teeth and orthodontic treatment as a teenager.

[D.H.]

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Really afraid of CPAP (see above post)
Thanks!
-m

You should be afraid of untreated Sleep Apnea! That's the real danger.