How did people cope before CPAP?

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by archangle » Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:55 pm

Q: What did people without apnea do before CPAP machines?

A: "They died quietly in their sleep." How many times have you heard that about a friend or relative?

Sometimes, it's "They died quietly in their sleep, not screaming in terror like their passengers.

In many cases, nobody suspected apnea. That's true even today.

A2: They often lived miserable lives, being sick or tired all the time. Often with unexplained problems like heart trouble, stroke, fatigue, etc. Probably while being told they just need to lose weight, get more exercise, eat right, etc.
davep700 wrote:Can people with untreated OSA get a sense if they are close to cardiovascular problems by the extent by how fatigued they feel and how much they need to push to get through the day , and by the length of time they've had to do so, despite having good physical exams?
Very often, the first symptom is sudden death. Sometimes you get a warning.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by zoocrewphoto » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:47 pm

davep700 wrote:Can people with untreated OSA get a sense if they are close to cardiovascular problems by the extent by how fatigued they feel and how much they need to push to get through the day , and by the length of time they've had to do so, despite having good physical exams?
I doubt it. We don't have complete feeling of internal organs, so we can experience a lot of damage without feeling it. Also, without experience, we don't always know what something is. Several years before I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, I went to an event in a building that had recently flooded. I knew instantly that there was still mold there as my breathing became harder, and I was having asthma attacks. My inhaler was a year past expiration, so i had to go to the doctor to get a new one prescribed. She discovered an irregular heartbeat. That invisibly cat on my lungs was actually a heart issue, but I assumed it was all asthma. It was really both.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by Iflyacrj » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:35 pm

I had lots of
Caffeine. And when it wore off, I felt like sh-t.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:55 pm

Iflyacrj wrote:I had lots of
Caffeine. And when it wore off, I felt like sh-t.
Someone has posted on here before, "CPAP is the second most common treatment for sleep apnea. The most common is caffeine."

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by GettingBetter » Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:03 am

Well, we don't sleep the same way as folks back in the 1700-1800's. Before light bulbs and fancy electricity, there were two sleeps - first sleep and second sleep. Historical documents, letters and diaries of the time all refer to second sleep as common knowledge and something that is just a given.

Instead of staying up and wasting time on the internet or watching the television box, folks went to bed when the sun set; but they didn't stay there. After a few hours the pious would pray and read the Bible, while the more adventuresome might have an affair with a neighbor or cook something. Oh and there was partying. Sometimes folks would get up, grab a couple of candles, burgle, practice music or party at a neighbors, then return home to sleep it off til morning.

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SOURCE: http://www.history.vt.edu/Ekirch/sleepcommentary.html <== The Guy that Wrote that Book on Segmented Sleep

As far as what was done in the past, one must delve bravely into the art of the time. When I google "Snoring Cures Medieval Art" the internet provides a plethora of works that have been pre-categorized with those key words. We live in amazing times that make learning how to use a library and the dewey decimal system obsolete!

One of the more intriguing works resulting from my inquiry is this:

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Obviously, the person with sleep apnea is not well rested and has wrecked the wagon, busting one of the wheels on the road to the grain meal, near the river where hogs are washed each morning. He is being treated by being tied with rope and kept in the river while three town elder-statesmen in varied tights and lovely capes look on and supervise the punishment. I think it is important to note the giant person on top of the mill house for perspective.

So to answer the original question, our ancestors didn't do things the same way we do and people that didn't get enough sleep were treated like witches.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by MrGrumpy » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:26 pm

They did not cope. They were SOL. Many died prematurely. Additionally, many were treated as psychiatric cases, instead of having sleep apnea, some were put into the mental death system and treated purely as major depressives, neurotics, psychotics, you name it. Complaints about constant fatigue and nonrestorative sleep were "written off" by psychiatrists and primary care physicians as "somatic symptoms" of major depression or anxiety.

Thats how most were handled, treated as head cases.
Id be dead by now if I didn't use my CPAP gear every night.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by GettingBetter » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:44 pm

The ancient Egyptians used head rests instead of pillows to elevate the head and keep airways open and help with snoring.

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SOURCE: http://www.jewelryategypt.com/2015/06/h ... d-snoring/
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/glo ... spx?id=174

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by Thatgirl » Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:03 pm

GettingBetter wrote:The ancient Egyptians used head rests instead of pillows to elevate the head and keep airways open and help with snoring.

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SOURCE: http://www.jewelryategypt.com/2015/06/h ... d-snoring/
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/glo ... spx?id=174
Looks comfy!

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by GettingBetter » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:13 pm

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Many woman saved their green stamps and took up extra ironing to afford the
Heidelberg Electric Belt for their man. While the device may scare men today
as too risky, the men of yesteryear were tough and not in the least bit crybabies
for 80 gauge electrodes. From the Sear's and Roebuck wishbook 1907,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was a best seller for snoring cures.

While also advertised as a healthy way to fitness and well being,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was designed as an early anti-snoring
device based on the principle that snoring was the result of an
air lock created when a man slept on his back and the testicles
fell over the rectal opening, creating a hermetic seal,
thus dis-equilibrizing the body's air flow. The belt itself fit
snuggily about the genitals with a gentle electric current to
ensure a dangerous snoring seal would not occur.


SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Belt

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by Lucyhere » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:33 pm

GettingBetter wrote:Image
Many woman saved their green stamps and took up extra ironing to afford the
Heidelberg Electric Belt for their man. While the device may scare men today
as too risky, the men of yesteryear were tough and not in the least bit crybabies
for 80 gauge electrodes. From the Sear's and Roebuck wishbook 1907,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was a best seller for snoring cures.

While also advertised as a healthy way to fitness and well being,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was designed as an early anti-snoring
device based on the principle that snoring was the result of an
air lock created when a man slept on his back and the testicles
fell over the rectal opening, creating a hermetic seal,
thus dis-equilibrizing the body's air flow. The belt itself fit
snuggily about the genitals with a gentle electric current to
ensure a dangerous snoring seal would not occur.


SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Belt

From the Sear's and Roebuck wishbook 1907... too funny! Maybe had I been a young wife back then, I might have bought one for the hubby.
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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by GettingBetter » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:43 pm

Lucyhere wrote: From the Sear's and Roebuck wishbook 1907... too funny! Maybe had I been a young wife back then, I might have bought one for the hubby.
It was only $18 dolla's lol

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by Thatgirl » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:47 pm

GettingBetter wrote:Image
Many woman saved their green stamps and took up extra ironing to afford the
Heidelberg Electric Belt for their man. While the device may scare men today
as too risky, the men of yesteryear were tough and not in the least bit crybabies
for 80 gauge electrodes. From the Sear's and Roebuck wishbook 1907,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was a best seller for snoring cures.

While also advertised as a healthy way to fitness and well being,
the Heidelberg Electric Belt was designed as an early anti-snoring
device based on the principle that snoring was the result of an
air lock created when a man slept on his back and the testicles
fell over the rectal opening, creating a hermetic seal,
thus dis-equilibrizing the body's air flow. The belt itself fit
snuggily about the genitals with a gentle electric current to
ensure a dangerous snoring seal would not occur.


SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heidelberg_Belt
I had heard the testicles blocking the rectum thing before, but I thought it was a joke, not an actual theory of yesteryear.

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by archangle » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:09 am

GettingBetter wrote:The ancient Egyptians used head rests instead of pillows to elevate the head and keep airways open and help with snoring.

SOURCE: http://www.jewelryategypt.com/2015/06/h ... d-snoring/
http://www.globalegyptianmuseum.org/glo ... spx?id=174
Ah, yes. "Jewelry at Egypt," that great source of scholarly medical information....

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by ChicagoGranny » Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:36 am

archangle wrote:Ah, yes. "Jewelry at Egypt," that great source of scholarly medical information....
teehee

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Re: How did people cope before CPAP?

Post by bwexler » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:10 am

$18 back then was probably two weeks pay for the gent who got to wear the belt and earn the money to pay for it.
That is probably equivalent to more than $1,000 today.

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