does respifacile aid breathing?

[Chevie]

>50% abandon of CPAP

Yes, if you don't use CPAP, it won't help you.

I would guess that something in the range of 99.9% of respifacile patients will not get successful treatment of sleep apnea with respifacile.

[Alexandre]

A doctorate does not change the real life experience of thousands using C/Apap who have no nasal issues and who understand that it stents open your airway at the throat. Whether or not you have nasal blockage is not the point. It's a problem for many who deal with it in different ways, but clearing it does not open the airway any wider.

Everybody agrees on the location of the collapse which is "the throat", BUT the reason of the collapse is the Air depression, how deep in negative and duration.
That's also why CPAP by creating artificial continuous positive pression, prevents the throat collapse. Because you can's have throat collapse without negative air pression.

And of course those 2 depend of the resistance, which at 60% is located in anterior nasal valve.

Nasal resistance to air is inversely proportional to the square of the section. (of anterior nasal valve)

That's why all nasal dilators OPEN LARGER the nose, to increase the section (half diameter) of the nasal valve.

You can even do it by yourself with fingers, just Google "Cottle and Bachmann maneuver". You'll in 1 second be surprised how easier nasal air flow through.

[Julie]

The REASONs for airway collapse are far more likely to be due to fatty tissue in the area, or to the tongue falling backward and blocking it (if asleep on your back), or to anatomical design that causes congenital narrowing, etc...

[Alexandre]

The REASONs for airway collapse are far more likely to be due to fatty tissue in the area, or to the tongue falling backward and blocking it (if asleep on your back), or to anatomical design that causes congenital narrowing, etc...

The "congenital" is another category and I agree.

But if what you indicate are "far more likely" the causal factors, so why CPAP would work?

With continuous positive pressure, the patient will still have same "fatty tissue in the area, or tongue falling back etc" you say. So the negative pressure matters.

It's probably because of my poor English that visibly I'm creating confusion.

Please go back to my first comment on why McDonald's give specific stronger straw for milkshake or high viscosity desserts.
Because more depression inside the straw is needed and thus a standard straw would collapse. Collapse where? Where least tonic walls meet the narrowest part: =throat.

And hope nobody contest OSA is a MULTI factorial pathology.
A cause doesn't give Z consequence.

A+B+C+D... in ADDITION gives OSA.

Those 4 can, case by case, be one much more responsable than others.

4 type of causes:
1) Level and duration of depression
2) Airway resistance
3) Airway walls tonicity
4) Anatomical variation and diameters in different parts of respiratory system

For example Julie, what you're saying has no contradiction with these. "Fatty tissue" is in the 3 category because fat is less tonic than muscle, so collapse easier.
The "tongue falling backward" in the 4 category.

[Alexandre]

>50% abandon of CPAP

Yes, if you don't use CPAP, it won't help you.

I would guess that something in the range of 99.9% of respifacile patients will not get successful treatment of sleep apnea with respifacile.

My 50% stats of CPAP abandon has source in the n°1 Oxygen and CPAP manufacture in the world "Air Liquide" where I worked at R&D Lab.

Your 99,9% stats I would be glad to know which article is coming from?

[nanwilson]

Sounds like she probably owns the company........................................

[Minnie Maunder]

Your 99,9% stats I would be glad to know which article is coming from?

You should provide a link to a legitimate study showing just one patient who was cured of sleep apnea by Respifacile.

[Julie]

"With continuous positive pressure, the patient will still have same "fatty tissue in the area, or tongue falling back etc" you say. So the negative pressure matters."

Yes, anatomy won't change, which is why we wear cpap every night! What is wrong with you that you insist on spouting nonsense trying to convince us about the technology of the nose and your ideas when you won't acknowledge that Cpap works in addressing the causes of OSA? It solves the issues. Certainly some people have trouble adapting for many reasons, e.g. badly fitted masks, wrongly set pressures, etc. etc., but those do not have to do with noses. Many people here have nasal issues and many have surgery to fix them... but that doesn't make their apnea go away, though I'm sure there are some out there who'll disagree - I'd be interested to know how many of them originally underwent lab studies for diagnosis, and new sleep studies to say their OSA is cured.

[nanwilson]

Friends: The equipment (?) is from France, the word "facile" in the word respifacile is french for "easy" and the person Alexandre is in Paris .. that's a double "wink".. got it!
Whatever we say is actually beating a dead horse, she? is Respifacile !!

[ChicagoGranny]

she? is Respifacile !!

If Alexandre is who he says he is, he is not a she.

He is Dr. Alexandre Yazdi, who is one of the developers, patent holders and promoters of the RespiFacile device.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egfw5rzjy7o

[chunkyfrog]

Does he have a brightly painted wagon, pulled by a very old horse?

[Alexandre]

she? is Respifacile !!

If Alexandre is who he says he is, he is not a she.

He is Dr. Alexandre Yazdi, who is one of the developers, patent holders and promoters of the RespiFacile device.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egfw5rzjy7o

If an "Arnold" says he's from Austria, writes in a bodybuilding forum and comments how good is the current California governor... Perhaps he doesn't hide being Schwarzenegger... No need to be lieutnent Columbo... I've been honest on my identity and most importantly every single word I wrote is medically 100% exact, you can quote to any doctor of your choice.

Also, between hundreds of words I wrote on OSA, mentioned only once Respifacile, and only for narrow specific category of OSA patients.
The rest, even in my last comment, again and again talked about the 4 pillars at origin of OSA.

You're of course free to consider CPAP or surgery as 2 unique solutions.

My approach is first really understanding pillars and to then act to decrease them.
For example in some cases just losing weight stops OSA, so why not consider talking diet and muscle tonicity too?

For back pain, yes you can only take pills. My approach is to start with pills but quickly switch to swimming or gym rings (TRX) at home to act on origin.

In one of 3 categories of sleep apnea, which is OSA, CPAP works in 100% of cases but is not indispensable for 100%.
7-8% could replace CPAP by Respifacile, and 92-93% must keep absolutely their CPAP.

Depends of specific profile of the patient and that's all I'm saying.

Internet bashing me is easy and you can make fun of me as much as it's your pleasure.
Still I won't apologize of being inventor of a useful medical device which took me and others thousands of hours of hard work for years.
Perhaps our time is more favorable to Miley Cyrus type people adulation, and researcher guys in NASA type people are less attractive.

No problem, all I did is adding some informations on OSA, you have nothing to lose to really read the content, and also are free to make fun of me and not read them with attention. Wish a nice day to all

[Julie]

"Perhaps our time is more favorable to Miley Cyrus type people adulation, and researcher guys in NASA type people are less attractive."

That's really insulting! We've argued science with you, not made it personal except to speculate about who you are and what your motives are, so for you to say that (above) is nasty.

But if you'd said " CPAP works in 100% of cases but is not indispensable for 100%. 7-8% could replace CPAP by Respifacile, and 92-93% must keep absolutely their CPAP." earlier, you might have been received better. You might have sounded rational instead of arrogant and pushy.

[49er]

As one who emailed Alexandre not expecting much, I was the recipient of someone who took the time to write a thoughtful and helpful reply. So I am very saddened by all the negative replies he has gotten.

I definitely understand the skepticism as I feel the same way when people think that alternative health practitioners are the answer to "evil" psychiatry. But at the same time, I don't understand why every discussion that contradicts the belief that pap therapy is the only option that works for sleep apnea has to be met with extreme hostility. It isn't like he is telling everyone on this board to quit pap therapy and buy his device.

And just so folks know, he didn't try to sell me the respifacile breathing device.

49er

[DeepFriedDuck]

Also, between hundreds of words I wrote on OSA, mentioned only once Respifacile, and only for narrow specific category of OSA patients.
The rest, even in my last comment, again and again talked about the 4 pillars at origin of OSA.

You're of course free to consider CPAP or surgery as 2 unique solutions.

My approach is first really understanding pillars and to then act to decrease them.
For example in some cases just losing weight stops OSA, so why not consider talking diet and muscle tonicity too?

For back pain, yes you can only take pills. My approach is to start with pills but quickly switch to swimming or gym rings (TRX) at home to act on origin.

In one of 3 categories of sleep apnea, which is OSA, CPAP works in 100% of cases but is not indispensable for 100%.
7-8% could replace CPAP by Respifacile, and 92-93% must keep absolutely their CPAP.

Depends of specific profile of the patient and that's all I'm saying.

Internet bashing me is easy and you can make fun of me as much as it's your pleasure.
Still I won't apologize of being inventor of a useful medical device which took me and others thousands of hours of hard work for years.
Perhaps our time is more favorable to Miley Cyrus type people adulation, and researcher guys in NASA type people are less attractive.

No problem, all I did is adding some informations on OSA, you have nothing to lose to really read the content, and also are free to make fun of me and not read them with attention. Wish a nice day to all

For goodness sake man, you just don't get that this is a CPAP forum.

You also conveniently fail to comment that anyone interested can perform the Cottle test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfFxUBZBW1o) to see if your device will help with nasal breathing. For most people the test will be negative. Among the small amount of people who test positive, a large portion of them would do well to have corrective surgery.

Let's face it, for the small amount testing positive, the Respifacile only helps while they are wearing it. For at least twelve hours per day, they will not be wearing it. Nose breathing 24 hours per day is important. Have the corrective surgery and improve your health. Use Respifacile and only have improvement for what? 8 hours per day?

I have no problem with the product itself. But you need to understand this is a CPAP forum.