Slime in humidifier chamber

[DisorderedSleep]

I would take a Q-tip or a toothbrush (specifically used for cleaning your equipment) and scrub the hard to reach corners. Also, using 1 part vinegar to 2 parts water is an excellent idea. It gives the antibacterial qualities you are looking for without the destructive chemical effects you want to avoid.

[Gasper62]

Use a little solution of chlorine bleach and hot water, triple rinse, air dry. Anyone that thinks that bacteria/viruses/(pathogens) can't be airborne has at least another think coming.

[Wulfman...]

Use a little solution of chlorine bleach and hot water, triple rinse, air dry. Anyone that thinks that bacteria/pathogens can't be airborne has at least another think coming.

Take that up with these folks. I figger they've had lots of "thinks" about it. (and studied it extensively)

Go to this link and select the options suggested:

http://www.fphcare.com/sleep-apnea/educ ... port/faqs/

Select "Humidity"

Select: "Can germs pass from the humidifier to me?"


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[chunkyfrog]

Life on this planet is dependent on symbiosis.
Anything that does not kill us--makes us stronger by contributing to immunity.
Too much cleaning could cause more harm than not enough.

[Gasper62]

I'm figgerin' they didn't read this little blurb before they made that proclamation. Ya might want to take a gander at it, and send it along to F&P, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2556912/

[Wulfman...]

I'm figgerin' they didn't read this little blurb before they made that proclamation. Ya might want to take a gander at it, and send it along to F&P, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2556912/

Total biased garbage!
That study/link has been floating around the forum for years trying to disprove the same arguments.......but it was performed using the old S7 ResMed machines (2007) and was done by a company that MAKES FILTERS. Just look at where they positioned the filters and hoses......basically below the water level of the HH tanks.

"Disclosure Statement
This study was funded by Pall Corporation. All authors are, or were at the time of the study, employees of the Pall Corporation."

http://www.pall.com/main/home.page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pall_Corporation


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[Julie]

I wouldn't use towels to dry the tank (or anything much else) as I'm sure it leaves tiny fibers that you wouldn't see yourself without magnification, but while I don't think they'd cause slime, they could eventually clog something or other else.

[Gasper62]

I'm figgerin' they didn't read this little blurb before they made that proclamation. Ya might want to take a gander at it, and send it along to F&P, too.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2556912/

Total biased garbage!
That study/link has been floating around the forum for years trying to disprove the same arguments.......but it was performed using the old S7 ResMed machines (2007) and was done by a company that MAKES FILTERS. Just look at where they positioned the filters and hoses......basically below the water level of the HH tanks.

"Disclosure Statement
This study was funded by Pall Corporation. All authors are, or were at the time of the study, employees of the Pall Corporation."

http://www.pall.com/main/home.page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pall_Corporation


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You seem to possess all the
"answers", I tend to believe entities like the NIH instead of a CPAP manufacturer. FWIW, the Pall Corp. seems to me to be light years ahead of F&P from a technical/medical standpoint. I could be wrong. (I don't believe that they sell fridges or dishwashers, either)

[Gasper62]

FWIW, I don't use any in-line bacteria filters, but, I also don't wait for tadpoles to hatch in my water reservoir before disinfecting it a little.

[Wulfman...]

You seem to possess all the "answers", I tend to believe entities like the NIH instead of a CPAP manufacturer. FWIW, the Pall Corp. seems to me to be light years ahead of F&P from a technical/medical standpoint. I could be wrong. (I don't believe that they sell fridges or dishwashers, either)

I may not have ALL the answers, but I've been here long enough to know to try to cover my butt before I throw out "stuff".

Soooooo........ It sounds like you apparently don't think that Fisher & Paykel has any links to studies in the NIH?

http://search.nih.gov/search?affiliate= ... =%E2%9C%93

And, to be fair.......links to Pall Corp. in NIH

http://search.nih.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9 ... commit.y=5


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[Gasper62]

You seem to possess all the "answers", I tend to believe entities like the NIH instead of a CPAP manufacturer. FWIW, the Pall Corp. seems to me to be light years ahead of F&P from a technical/medical standpoint. I could be wrong. (I don't believe that they sell fridges or dishwashers, either)

I may not have ALL the answers, but I've been here long enough to know to try to cover my butt before I throw out "stuff".

Soooooo........ It sounds like you apparently don't think that Fisher & Paykel has any links to studies in the NIH?

http://search.nih.gov/search?affiliate= ... =%E2%9C%93

And, to be fair.......links to Pall Corp. in NIH

http://search.nih.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9 ... commit.y=5


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Soooooo, what's yer point exactly ? That Pall had an agenda, falsified the study's findings ? Both Pall and F&P are publishing white papers at a prolific rate ? I merely posted a piece found online that contradicts your somewhat definitive/unambiguous statement regarding bacteria transmission possibilities. Throwing "stuff" ??? Full disclosure..... I do not have any formal schooling in the sciences to qualify me to either confirm or dispute the actual data produced in the Pall study. It just seemed a touch more exhaustive than a paragraph and 3 pics on a corporate site. One thing I've learned through the course of living my life is to assume nothing and to never say never. That, and aerosolized snot droplets can fly clear across a room and make ya sick as Hell. LOL.

[Wulfman...]

My "point" (originally and before this got carried away) was to counter this statement you made earlier.

And, I personally would not use bleach in a HH tank.

Use a little solution of chlorine bleach and hot water, triple rinse, air dry. Anyone that thinks that bacteria/viruses/(pathogens) can't be airborne has at least another think coming.

And, I never said anybody "falsified" anything. But, "studies" can be conducted to predict a desired outcome.


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[Gasper62]

My "point" (originally and before this got carried away) was to counter this statement you made earlier.

And, I personally would not use bleach in a HH tank.

Use a little solution of chlorine bleach and hot water, triple rinse, air dry. Anyone that thinks that bacteria/viruses/(pathogens) can't be airborne has at least another think coming.

And, I never said anybody "falsified" anything. But, "studies" can be conducted to predict a desired outcome.


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How you gonna' counter a proven/accepted fact ? Bleach isn't good for those who don't know about it's safe use, granted. It's used by the barrel in hospitals, however.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease (there are better links, I don't really care enough to list them. This one will do nicely. )

[Wulfman...]

How you gonna' counter a proven/accepted fact ? Bleach isn't good for those who don't know about it's safe use, granted. It's used by the barrel in hospitals, however.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease (there are better links, I don't really care enough to list them. This one will do nicely. )

What "fact"?
I said * I * wouldn't use it. You're welcome to use barrels of it if you want.

And, as far as the airborne diseases go, how would they get into a CPAP machine anyway? They'd have to be in your bedroom air to begin with. More likely the person would have been exposed to them at work or somewhere outside of their dwelling......and NOT while they're breathing filtered air.
The CPAP air is filtered as it enters the machine and then IF anything made it through the filters, would be dropped into the water in the HH tank.......and STAY THERE.


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[Gasper62]

I misunderstood which thing you wanted to "counter". I thought you intended to dispute the fact that pathogens get airborne, that fact is indisputable. As far as hypochlorite goes, it's fine to use in a weak solution as long as it is thoroughly rinsed, up until recently it was commonly a major component of automatic dishwasher detergents. (that some HH tanks were/are approved to be cleansed in) The XPAP manufacturers say not to use bleach because many pap users lack the common sense to use it safely/properly.(full strength ) For them, it's best that they leave it alone, same with fire, electricity, etc.

Yet another white paper: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC172936/