My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

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Re: My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

Post by Janknitz » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:04 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
yaconsult wrote:I think you chose the best of your available options.
Disagree.

The best option would have been to print out a 12-month compliance report, give the report to the doctor and tell him to send the report to the insurance company and write you a prescription for CPAP.

Sounds like this doctor has little to no experience dealing with sleep apnea and CPAP.
Before you go blaming the doctor understand that some insurers will not cover CPAP and supplies without a diagnostic sleep study. Medicare is one such insurer. Compliance is one component, but compliance is not enough to qualify for Medicare coverage of CPAP and supplies under Medicare. Without a diagnostic study showing your apnea meets certain parameters, no CPAP coverage. Period. Many insurers adopt Medicare guidelines.

The only way you will know what YOUR insurer requires to qualify for CPAP coverage is to ask. If it requires a diagnostic study, then you have to decide whether or not you are willing to jump through that particular hoop, or just keep paying for your own equipment and supplies.

Doctors dont know or understand the ins and outs of particular insurance plans. But if your insurer requires the diagnostic study, the doctor's assurance of your compliance won't be sufficient to convince the insurer to cover CPAP even if he writes the most eloquent letter in history. So don't blame him/her.
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Re: My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

Post by Boyce » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:39 am

Janknitz wrote:some insurers will not cover CPAP and supplies without a diagnostic sleep study. Medicare is one such insurer
You might be wrong about that as far as Medicare goes. I've been using Medicare for 19 months now and they have paid for a new machine, masks, hoses, etc.

I haven't had a sleep study in over a decade and that practice was closed down (Medicare fraud) and I have no idea where my study records are.

The doc that I have been using for a couple of years now told me he would certify annually with Medicare that I have sleep apnea and am compliant with CPAP.

I just had my annual this morning where they read the card and submit a compliance report to Medicare.

I am another one who would refuse a diagnostic study - too dangerous due to the severity of my apnea.
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Re: My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

Post by Janknitz » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:42 pm

Boyce wrote:
Janknitz wrote:some insurers will not cover CPAP and supplies without a diagnostic sleep study. Medicare is one such insurer
You might be wrong about that as far as Medicare goes. I've been using Medicare for 19 months now and they have paid for a new machine, masks, hoses, etc.

I haven't had a sleep study in over a decade and that practice was closed down (Medicare fraud) and I have no idea where my study records are.

The doc that I have been using for a couple of years now told me he would certify annually with Medicare that I have sleep apnea and am compliant with CPAP.

I just had my annual this morning where they read the card and submit a compliance report to Medicare.

I am another one who would refuse a diagnostic study - too dangerous due to the severity of my apnea.
Your 10 year old sleep study must be adequately documented somewhere in the "system" or you have managed to slip under the radar.

Check this out: http://www.cms.gov/Outreach-and-Educati ... 905064.pdf

Center for Medicare and Medicaid services sets the Medicare rules. Reimbursement (to the DME) for CPAP will be denied for a variety of reasons including:
Common PAP Device Errors
1. No documentation of the treating physician’s initial face-to-face clinical evaluation conducted
before the sleep study to assess the patient for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA).
2. No physician documentation that a physician, a physician assistant, a nurse practitioner,
or a clinical nurse specialist has had a face-to-face encounter with the individual involved
during the 6-month period preceding such written order.
3. No documentation of a Medicare-covered sleep study supporting medical necessity.
4. No documentation of the treating physician’s signed and dated order describing the
item(s) dispensed.
5. No documentation of the treating physician’s face-to-face re-evaluation, within the first
three months of initiating therapy (but after the 31st day), which documents both improvement
in subjective symptoms of OSA and objective data related to adherence to PAP therapy.
6. No documentation of continued need and continued use.
PAP devices for the treatment of OSA are covered by Medicare only if they meet the criteria
in Tables 2 and 3 on pages 4 and 5
. For additional information on detailed written orders, visit
the Medicare Program Integrity Manual (PIM), Chapter 5, Section 5.2.3 at http://www.cms.gov/
Regulations-and-Guidance/Guidance/Manuals/Downloads/pim83c05.pdf on the CMS website.
Table on page 4 for initial treatment says:
B. A Medicare-covered sleep test that meets one of
the following:
1. The Apnea-Hypopnea Index (AHI) or
Respiratory Disturbance Index (RDI) is greater
than or equal to 15 events per hour with a
minimum of 30 events; or
2. The AHI or RDI is greater than or equal to 5 and
less than or equal to 14 events per hour with a
minimum of 10 events and documentation of:
a. Excessive daytime sleepiness, impaired
cognition, mood disorders, or insomnia; or
b. Hypertension, ischemic heart disease, or
history of stroke.
And it covers the criteria if you came to Medicare with the diagnosis of sleep apnea on page 5:
For patients who received a PAP device prior to enrollment in FFS Medicare and are seeking Medicare coverage of either rental of the device, a replacement PAP device, and/or accessories, both of the following coverage requirements must be met:
1.
The patient had a documented sleep test, prior to FFS Medicare enrollment, that meets the Medicare AHI/RDI coverage criteria in effect at the time that the patient seeks Medicare coverage of a replacement PAP device and/or accessories; and
2.
The patient had a face-to-face clinical evaluation, following FFS Medicare enrollment, by the treating physician who documented in the patient’s medical record that:
a.
The patient has a diagnosis of OSA; and
b.
The patient continues to use the PAP device.
If either criterion 1 or 2 above is not met, the claim will be denied as not medically necessary.
In these situations, there is no requirement for a clinical re-evaluation or for objective documentation of adherence to use of the device.
(no requirement for clinical re-evaluation or objective documentation of adherence because Medicare isn't going to pay).

According to the rules, no sleep study, no Medicare coverage.
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Re: My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

Post by Boyce » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:45 pm

Janknitz wrote:3. No documentation of a Medicare-covered sleep study supporting medical necessity.
My only study was in 2005 and I was not Medicare-eligible until 2014. So clearly I have never had "a Medicare-covered sleep study".

Maybe my current doctor knows the Medicare ropes well. He does seem to.

As long as Medicare pays, I am keeping quiet.
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Re: My Dr said I could do a HOME SLEEP STUDY

Post by Janknitz » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:07 pm

See the last quote of my post which applies to patients like you "patients who received a PAP device prior to enrollment in FFS Medicare and are seeking Medicare coverage of either rental of the device, a replacement PAP device, and/or accessories"

In that case, your 2005 sleep study would count because:
The patient had a documented sleep test, prior to FFS Medicare enrollment, that meets the Medicare AHI/RDI coverage criteria in effect at the time that the patient seeks Medicare coverage of a replacement PAP device and/or accessories;
But if there truly is no record of your 2005 sleep test, then I agree that "keeping quiet" is probably a good idea.
What you need to know before you meet your DME http://tinyurl.com/2arffqx
Taming the Mirage Quattro http://tinyurl.com/2ft3lh8
Swift FX Fitting Guide http://tinyurl.com/22ur9ts
Don't Pay that Upcharge! http://tinyurl.com/2ck48rm