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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Boyce » Sat Jun 20, 2015 8:31 pm

Darth Lady wrote:It would be nice if I could at least feel safe on my own computer.
Why would you not feel safe in this forum? You have a good level of anonymity if you choose to use it.

If you feel it is a risk, you might want to remove your city name from your profile.

Even though I have made personal contact with a few members and exchanged home addresses, I don't recommend that a female do this. Even with another female, because it could be a male claiming to be a female.

If you are worried about someone criticizing you or verbally attacking you in the forum, these things can be ignored. No response and these people usually get bored and move on.

What do you think?

(I haven't been here much lately, so maybe I underestimate the "nastiness" of what has been going on. My guess is it is just typical "mouthing off" that has become prevalent all over the internet.)
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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Morbius » Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:39 am

Boyce wrote:If you are worried about someone criticizing you or verbally attacking you in the forum, these things can be ignored. No response and these people usually get bored and move on.

What do you think?
I think you'd do better to understand the reasoning behind internet (and for that matter, all) bullying:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in ... elf-esteem

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:31 am

Morbius wrote:
Boyce wrote:If you are worried about someone criticizing you or verbally attacking you in the forum, these things can be ignored. No response and these people usually get bored and move on.

What do you think?
I think you'd do better to understand the reasoning behind internet (and for that matter, all) bullying:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in ... elf-esteem
Or you could just stay off the internet. There is a price for everything and if you think the internet is a free lunch you are very mistaken.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:49 am

The internet is a library for some, a coffee shop for others, escape for some; but for way too many,
it is a playground, a free orchard, and even a killing field. It is a cornucopia, while also being the wild and wooly.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Morbius » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:32 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
Morbius wrote:
Boyce wrote:If you are worried about someone criticizing you or verbally attacking you in the forum, these things can be ignored. No response and these people usually get bored and move on.

What do you think?
I think you'd do better to understand the reasoning behind internet (and for that matter, all) bullying:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in ... elf-esteem
Or you could just stay off the internet. There is a price for everything and if you think the internet is a free lunch you are very mistaken.
I feel your pain.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Darth Lady » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:20 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:
Morbius wrote:
Boyce wrote:If you are worried about someone criticizing you or verbally attacking you in the forum, these things can be ignored. No response and these people usually get bored and move on.

What do you think?
I think you'd do better to understand the reasoning behind internet (and for that matter, all) bullying:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in ... elf-esteem
Or you could just stay off the internet. There is a price for everything and if you think the internet is a free lunch you are very mistaken.
Yeah, I'm pretty much over the internet. Or at least, internet forums. I've got better things to do - like staying alive.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by herefishy » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:37 pm

This is such a different kind of forum - I understand people getting pissed over the umpteenth time some newbie writes saying I can't do so and so. Most times I just skip over these posts, which is selfish, I know. Any other forum I interact on is about some subject that you get different ideas about from mostly the same people discussing something. And the people are generally rational and tuned into what is being discussed. But here you get spaced out, zoned out, exhausted, pissed, sick folks seeking a solution to feeling horrible and even thinking they're dying. So I think what we think we need is maybe an index to posts, or someway to be able to reply - # 1, #2, etc to some new guy who can't figure out how to get his information. It doesn't help to say "can't you hit search?", but with all the expertise we have there ought to be a way that nobody has to spoon feed the same old pablum.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:39 pm

Darth Lady wrote: Yeah, I'm pretty much over the internet. Or at least, internet forums. I've got better things to do - like staying alive.
Well you got your free lunch and now you don't want to pay it forward - because you think posting here is dangerous...... You are far more likely to be killed crossing the street or visiting a hospital.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Morbius » Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:51 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:Well you got your free lunch and now you don't want to pay it forward -
You just...

don't...

get it.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by ems » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:29 pm

Morbius wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:Well you got your free lunch and now you don't want to pay it forward -
You just...

don't...

get it.

Understatement of this lovely Sunday morning.
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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by palerider » Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:52 pm

So, papit, you've taken it upon yourself to set the standards of behavior for the forum, however, it seems you're not very fair in choosing who to shame and who to praise. you've jumped down my throat multiple times, however...

you've publicly complimented ems,

calling relative newbies liars, and insults:
ems wrote:
Gasper62 wrote: PS: your PM will remain unread by me.

Not for a nano second do I believe that! You read every single word. The system shows you when a PM is read. So, now you are a liar. As I said in my PM which I encouraged you to post here... you are a sad, sad man.
encouraging abuse of the spam button:
ems wrote: I did not delete that post! Do yourself a favor. Contact the Goodmans; they are the owners of this site. They will know in a NY second who did.

I DO know who did tho. A very nice man! And, I even thanked him! He told me that he thought you were a "pig" via email, so don't bother trying to find it.

Sorry I didn't get to see it. How about reposting ?
wild accusations: (julie later said she deleted her own post)
ems wrote: Also not right that Julie's post was deleted. I guess that's someones way of getting something across; but I do think there is a better way to do it.
blatant rudeness:
ems wrote:Nan... you are a very amusing women. And I doubt PR will sleep with you no matter what you say!
using multiple identities and lies to deceitfully manipulate the forum: (uncovered by gasper62)
ems wrote:
Gasper62 wrote:
ems wrote:
Gasper62 wrote: Which of your identities will you use ?

Guest
Also Posted As:
(dream4sleep)
(ems)
(happydaz)
This was explained a few months ago. Since you have the time, I'm sure you can find it. It has to do basically with the fact that I bought a new computer and couldn't log on, and a glitch here on the forum. Knock yourself out! You obviously have lots of time on your hands.
And you.....obviously like to say different things and pretend to be a newbie while sayin' them. Try to be just you and own it. Also don't play arbiter for other's statements about their views, please. Ya posted this gem May 1st 2015 (after reading here for several weeks) remember ? What a charade and a farce !
guest wrote: "I've been reading this forum for several weeks now and despite the bully like tactics I seem to read in every other thread, it's apparent how much people here know about sleep apnea, their machines, etc. What is also apparent are the people who seem to spend their days and nights on this forum just waiting to jump on someone. There are also some who say things in jest; but if you read between the lines you'll notice the sarcastic, bully like messages they are sending.

I've never been on a board or forum and that may be why I'm utterly amazed at what people can say on a forum that I assume is to help people. I don't see moderation of any sort and that surprises me. Why aren't bully like tactics jumped on immediately? I've looked at some other apnea sites (and other help boards) and haven't found one where bullying or snide remarks were allowed.

It seems that some people are constantly logged on here. I've watched for about a week and they are always the same people. Their friends are here, their lives are here; it seems they stick together out of some kind of fear. Reminds me of a fraternity - where people unconsciously band together and bully and incite riots. If you join the "group" on this site you are IN, if not, you'll be ridiculed and insulted.

If I had sleep apnea related questions, it sure wouldn't be here. Nor would I purchase anything from the owners of this site."
LOL!! I knew you had lots of time on your hands... and yes, I typed every word... with the expertise of four other forum members. We spent a couple of days PMing up and back so that everyone could add whatever they wanted to. No one wanted their names attached to it and I respected that. So, I happily volunteered and would do it again in a minute. Unfortunately, it didn't do much good... the same miserable human beings are here nite and day to bully anyone who will allow them to.
more personal insults, and threats:
ems wrote:
palerider wrote:
Enchanter wrote:What is an auto?
askhole.
You poor, little, teeny, tiny man!

And if you don't stop PMing people to ignore Enchanter's posts, I'm going to repost every PM you wrote and post them in the forum!
more personal insults:
ems wrote:I've been waiting a long time for Granny (haven't had a prob with Gramps as far as I know) to show her true self. I wouldn't think of putting Granny on my foe list tho... her nasty comments have given me more than a few laughs. Look back at some of her posts, that will tell you a lot. She now has managed to get Julie and PR on her case which is very funny in itself.

When people of a certain age are as angry and hostile as she is, some would say that dementia has set in. In reading this thread, I'm sure of it. Oh... I'm fairly certain she and I are close in age.
there's more should anybody want to go back through her posting history.

you've also championed tedburnsiii, who behaves thusly:
tedburnsIII wrote:
Julie wrote:You're getting that mixed up with Afrin - that's the one that causes rebound problems where more and more is needed to do less and less... you really ought to do more research.
Jule, please refrain from your rude, nasty comments. They are without foundation and unbecoming of a poster on this forum.
tedburnsIII wrote:
Pugsy wrote:
tedburnsIII wrote:I don't understand your comment. You have taken my comment the wrong way and I wasn't intending comments as snide. I was stating a simple opinion, and I answered your 'Useless Poll' anyway. Why poll the subject matter here if it is 'useless'?

I think it is far more important to poll members here on BMI to determine if there is any correlation between the role that weight plays among the participants here. The difference is that you don't get trashed for your poll but I do, so it is personal. Whatever...
.... Finally...I am not surprised that you don't know the difference between sugar and vinegar fly catching.
I see no sense in trying to explain it further.
Have a good day sir.
Your advise should be directed at certain individuals on this forum- and you know who they are, and not me! Especially the sugar and vinegar part!

I am not going to name them because they aren't worth spit anyway, or my spit-time.
tedburnsIII wrote:You can share your wisdom and 'perceptiveness' in the 'sanitarium' where y'all belong.

Get out the popcorn...but SORRY, I won't be staying for the second inning. I've done my part here.

Good day!
tedburnsIII wrote:
nanwilson wrote:My Dad had a very good saying for people like ted....... "Experts are those that have lots of first hand practical knowledge.. but... those that have little knowledge can still "think" that they are experts and are NOT.. Or to put it better "small brain, big ego"
Cheers
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I've never held myself out to be an expert, what are you talking about, despicable troll?

Are you an expert because you have 2900 posts? Does that make you an expert?

Why don't some of you just shut your big mouths? You are ruining the thread. This is an embarassment and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I see y'all as nasty troll creatures as 'The Walking Dead', bit of a nuisance.

Sorry, Franck, but they seem to be this way to other newbies, especially. Watch out for them.

And, Franck, there is a REASON that I did not give you a warm welcome to this forum. It has been an unpleasant experience in this unmoderated forum. Wish there were moderators here.

Get what you need, though, you will learn a lot. It's just a bit much dealing with some of the nasty people on here, and there are quite a few.
tedburnsIII wrote:
Krelvin wrote:Hmmm... experience of advice...
Pugsy Joined:Thu May 14, 2009 Posts: 29,998
tedburnsIII Joined:Sat Feb 28, 2015 Posts: 168

Someone with almost 30k more posts and on the forum 7 years compared with someone with less than 200 posts who has been here 2 months and is a new CPAP user himself and posts controversial material, polls etc.
tedburnsIII wrote:You won't be hearing much if anything from me in the future. I have better things to do with my time.
Apparently he is bored.
So, apparently I have to get 30k posts to have anything to say, you creep! Where does that leave you, Krelvin?

Die already, would you please?

You will find for yourself, Franck, there are certain veterans on here who are simply nasty and rude and may suffer from personality disorders. Sorry to have to mention it to you but here is an example.

He does not cite one thing that I stated as being improper or incorrect. These are personal attacks. Watch out for these creeps, Franck!

You have no idea, Franck! Read a thread entitled 'Should this be a 'Sticky' and you will get a clear picture. Perhaps it may explain what may seem to be my over-reaction to his puerile remarks. Oh, yeah, yet another- "Kindly respond to this Anonymous Poll' thread. Creeps.
tedburnsIII wrote:
Goofproof wrote:Check my numbers on the NSA, they track all my vital numbers. Polls are in general stupid wastes of time, as is yours. What's next you want our neck size, be sure to specify before or after the noose tightens. jim
I'd be happy to measure your neck before they tighten the noose around it but you seem to be doing a pretty good job with the latter yourself!
tedburnsIII wrote:That is what people say when they don't have a leg to stand on nor any cogent argument.

You are foe, too, 'Krelvin'.
tedburnsIII wrote:Adding 'BS'(note, blackspinner) to foe list, you 'creep'. You and the other losers on here.

I am out of this thread- my own. Pathetic.

Have a nice day.
tedburnsIII wrote:This is really stupid. You are so ignorant. I could care less if I get acclaim for making a suggestion of a Sticky. It was recommended that I do so by someone very special here who apparently does not have the courage to come to my defense. That is sad. And some of you here are really pathetic creatures.
and, there's more for anybody that wants to look.


so, basically, you seem to champion people that are deceitful, rude, obnoxious, lying, underhanded and personally insulting and crude.

are these really the type of people you want to support when you're trying to make over the forum into the form you personally believe it should be?

you engaged in a secret crusade to get me banned, trying to find people via PM to join with you, encouraging the goodmans to ban me from the forum, the end result was a nice note from Carolyn kindly requesting me to focus on issues and actions, not to degenerate into personal attacks. she was completely right, of course.

however, you seem to be perfectly fine with cutting, cruel rude, intensely personal attacks by SOME people... or, are you just blind to the behavior of anybody you haven't labeled as an enemy?

what is it, papit?

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by postitnote » Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:51 pm

Everybody breathe please! That's what we're all here for

I think everyone I have interacted with on this forum have been wonderful people.

It's really best to overlook the bad in someone and focus on their good. None of use are perfect!
Morbius, are you bored?

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Cathyann » Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:42 pm

I've done quite a bit of reading as I'm a newbie and have lots to learn. Besides the ideas and suggestions from folks who have been there/done that, I've noticed sarcastic, snarky tones and also useless one-liners that do nothing to contribute to the threads. Heck, I'm even reluctant to share this because I don't want to see that same kind of thing directed at me.

I've been a member of quite a few online communities, even moderated some and haven't seen anything like this. Are there moderators here? Allowing this sort of drama to go on sets a negative tone and it's unfortunate, especially for the newbies like me who are here to learn and get support.

Would folks really treat someone this way in person? I hope not.

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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by ems » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:10 pm

Cathyann wrote:I've done quite a bit of reading as I'm a newbie and have lots to learn. Besides the ideas and suggestions from folks who have been there/done that, I've noticed sarcastic, snarky tones and also useless one-liners that do nothing to contribute to the threads. Heck, I'm even reluctant to share this because I don't want to see that same kind of thing directed at me.

I've been a member of quite a few online communities, even moderated some and haven't seen anything like this. Are there moderators here? Allowing this sort of drama to go on sets a negative tone and it's unfortunate, especially for the newbies like me who are here to learn and get support.

Would folks really treat someone this way in person? I hope not.
Hi Cathy... welcome here. No, no moderators here. Why? I really don't know. However, if you can ignore the bullies you will find there is much to learn and knowledgeable, kind posters. I'm sorry you ran into this thread early on. Honestly, I really am. Take what you feel is applicable to your situation and leave the rest. I hope things go smoothly for you!
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Re: Behavior in this Forum

Post by Madalot » Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:44 am

Cathyann wrote:I've done quite a bit of reading as I'm a newbie and have lots to learn. Besides the ideas and suggestions from folks who have been there/done that, I've noticed sarcastic, snarky tones and also useless one-liners that do nothing to contribute to the threads. Heck, I'm even reluctant to share this because I don't want to see that same kind of thing directed at me.

I've been a member of quite a few online communities, even moderated some and haven't seen anything like this. Are there moderators here? Allowing this sort of drama to go on sets a negative tone and it's unfortunate, especially for the newbies like me who are here to learn and get support.

Would folks really treat someone this way in person? I hope not.
Please rest assured that there are a LOT of us that believe in treating people online EXACTLY as we would in person. That means being kind and compassionate. I like to think that I treat everyone as though we were chatting in my family room. At least that's what I strive for.

My online personality is the same as real life. That's being honest. And I know there are many people here that feel the same.

As ems said, focus on those people, get the information you need from everyone that provides it, and discard the rest. There's too much good help available here to let a few nasty people ruin it for you.

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