Setting up a Puritan Bennett 420E in auto mode

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Setting up a Puritan Bennett 420E in auto mode

Post by ozij » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:15 am

A few days ago, deep into a meandering discussion called "Resmed vs. Respironics - Help" we started discussing auto algorithms in various machines, and I described things having to do with the 420E. The following is a summary of things I posted on that thread.

I've been a user of the PB 420E auto for 3 years, and had been doing some reading about it. I'm not a sleep professional in any way. My recent reading has convinced me the PB algorithm was planned for a special kind of setup.

When setting up the PB 420E (Puritan Bennett with the Evolution Algorithm) there are 4 different pressures you should look at:

Initial - where the machine goes when you turn it on and when the ramp is finished

Ramp - can start as low as you want, and you can make it lower than the minimum

Minimum - the lowest pressure the machine will go down to when in therapy mode

Maximum - the highest pressure the machine will go up to when in therapy mode

4 different pressures to set.

When PB submitted the machine to the FDA, the automatic mode's function was described as follows:
(my emphasis added:)
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/pdf3/k031470.pdf
The GoodKnight 420 Evolution can operate in either Constant or Automatic mode. In Constant mode, the device delivers a constant positive airway pressure to the patient at a fixed level prescribed by the practitioner between 4 and 20 cmHrO. In Automatic mode (APAP mode), the practitioner sets a maximum and minimum pressure range above and below the prescribed reference pressure and between 4 and 20 cmHz0. The pressure is adjusted within this range according to the patient’s respiratory pattern and the type of respiratory events detected. Data concerning the type of events detected, their frequency and duration, etc. is stored in the device data memory and can be accessed by the practitioner through the use of the optional Silverlining'" software. Pressure delivery for
the GoodKnight 420 Evolution is regulated by a pressure sensor which monitors both ambient and output pressure and provides feedback to the control system.
The following sentence, in a paper on cardiogenic oscillations by D.M. Rapoport, ( http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/full/116/3/660 ) sent me on a patent search.

"Dr. Rapoport and Mr. Norman have a financial interest in the development of automatic CPAP in the form of patent rights (assigned to New York University and licensed to Mallinckrodt Nellcor Puritan Bennett)"

If you read US Patent no. 5803066, (also no. 5,546,933) given to Rapoport et. al. and licensed to PB, you will see that the licensed auto algorithm assumes the existence of a prescribed pressure, a "preferred" pressure which is neither the min. nor the max. of the range. I'm adding emphasis to the quote, from pat. 5803066:

This is from patent no.
38. A breathing device for optimizing the positive airway pressure to a patient, comprising:

a source of breathing gas at controlled positive pressure to the airway of a patient;

a flow sensor configured to generate first data values representative of an inspiratory flow of breathing gas to the patient;

computer memory configured to store the first data values generated by said flow sensor;

a microprocessor including means for calculating the area of the inspiratory waveform from said first data values and calculating the area of a pure sine wave to generate a ratio of said areas and configured to generate a first signal when said ratio indicates a flow limitation in the patient; and

a pressure controller responsive to the first signal from said microprocessor and coupled to said source of breathing gas for increasing the positive pressure to the airway of the patient.

39. The breathing device of claim 38 wherein said micropressor is further configured to cause said pressure controller to increase the positive airway pressure to the patient at a greater rate when said positive airway pressure is less than a preselected prescribed pressure that (sic) when said positive airway pressure is greater than said preselected pressure.
40. The breathing device of claim 38, wherein said microprocessor is further configured to cause said pressure controller to decrease the positive pressure to the airway of the patient when said ratio does not indicate a flow limitation in the patient.

41. The breathing device of claim 40, wherein said microprocessor is further configured to cause said pressure controller to decrease positive airway pressure to the patient at a greater rate when said positive airway pressure is greater than a preselected prescribed pressure than when said positive airway pressure is less than said preselected pressure.
The above mentioned preselected prescribed pressure is the 420E's initial pressure.

When you don't set an initial pressure, initial and min. default to same. Meaning that you are set up for a slow rise (inhibiting the machine's preemptive capabilities) and speedy decrease back to your minimum - with not much chance of stabilizing around a preferred pressure, since the machine assumes preferred=min.

If you do set up an initial pressure, and make sure it is higher than the minimum, an closer to your preferred or prescribed pressure therapy will start at that pressure, and the pressure will drop if there are indications of airway stability. Once below the initial pressure, the machine will be more responsive to flow limitations, snores etc. On reaching the initial pressure, the rate of change upwards will slow down, and further pressure will be added more carefully, Once higher than your preferred pressure, it will drop back to that quickly and then drop further more carefully.

The bottom line is that you have more chances of staying at or below an optimal pressure if you tell the machine what that optimal pressure is - and you do that by setting it as the initial pressure.

The difference in rate of change is true for all breathing events. Not setting up the initial pressure therefore hobbles the PB's ability to respond quickly to apnea precursors. And also hobbles its ability to respond differently when below the optimum and when above it

Now, the machine does start therapy mode out at initial pressure. Which is why ramp is crucial (not optional) in this automatic machine. If your initial pressure is too high for comfort, you use the ramp to fall asleep. The machine checks your breathing at optimal pressure, and will gladly drop you down if everything is OK.


In summary:

Initial - where the machine goes when you turn it on and when the ramp is finished - (I now set it up with the pressure recommended in my PSG)

Ramp - can be handled like any ramp - based on comfort.

Minimum - the lowest pressure the machine will go down to when in therapy mode - you may want this for many comfort reasons.

Maximum - the highest pressure the machine will go up to when in therapy mode - you may want this for those times your initial is not enough.

Edit: added "for three years" to "user" and "recent" to "my reading"
O.

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Post by dsm » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:30 am

Ozij,

This info will become a cpaptalk treasure - very good sleuthing.

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Post by tangents » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:59 am

Wow, thanks for that tutorial, Ozij! I'll check my settings tonight, and set them the same way you are (except the ramp, which I don't need).


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Post by echo » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:27 am

ahhh it's all crystal clear now, thanks ozij!
not sure how i missed this post before posting my previous question on the minimum pressure settings...

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Post by Rastaman » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:38 pm

I wanted to bump this up a bit since I have the same machine. The thing that amazes me the most about OSA is how you can have it and think you know what you need to know only to discover something you had no idea about.

I'll give you an example. I've been treated for almost 2 years now and I JUST noticed I could be buying 1 or 2 replacement parts for my Mirage Activa mask (the parts that actually touch my face) and save quite a bit of money on the total price of the mask. This is just one example.

I have my ramp turned off. I have my pressure from 13 to 17 with 13 being my prescribed pressure from the start. What should I change initial to then?


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Post by ozij » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:54 pm

No reason to change your initial, Rastaman. If I wanted to spend less time at my initial pressure, I woud set up my minimum pressure to less than the initial. And I would experiment to see what gives me the best sleep and the best results.

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Post by Rastaman » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:44 pm

ozij wrote:No reason to change your initial, Rastaman. If I wanted to spend less time at my initial pressure, I woud set up my minimum pressure to less than the initial. And I would experiment to see what gives me the best sleep and the best results.

O.
Okay dokie Ozij! Then I'm good. Later, i'm going to try the S8 in that 13 to 17 range and see if that works as well. If I get lucky, I'll have found my pressure range for home and travel.

We usually travel by car if/when we travel.


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Re: Setting up a Puritan Bennett 420E in auto mode

Post by ozij » Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:21 pm

Bumping this up in response to a PM.
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Re: Setting up a Puritan Bennett 420E in auto mode

Post by -SWS » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:27 pm

ozij wrote:When setting up the PB 420E (Puritan Bennett with the Evolution Algorithm) there are 4 different pressures you should look at:

Initial - where the machine goes when you turn it on and when the ramp is finished

Ramp - can start as low as you want, and you can make it lower than the minimum

Minimum - the lowest pressure the machine will go down to when in therapy mode

Maximum - the highest pressure the machine will go up to when in therapy mode
Ozij discovered that "Initial " pressure setting should be your titrated/prescribed pressure or its equivalent.