AAST newsletter and AASM info
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Aside from the fact your note is so counterproductive to what this forum is about, regardless of some research study, the fact that long term outcomes for patients that die of cardiovascular problems is not greatly reduced does NOT mean that if the same patients had NOT used Cpap they would not have died much earlier! Just because you have a particular and odd obsession about 02 itself vs overall treatment and status of Cpap patients, doesn't mean you get to discourage newbies who come by for help.
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More Junk writing, but they still got paid, that was the point, get (over) Paid.xxyzx wrote:Lately, the news has not been great for CPAP users and the sleep centers that care for them. The USPSTF recommended against screening of asymptomatic patients and, in doing so, threw some major shade on the use of CPAP.
They wrote: “There is uncertainty about the accuracy or clinical utility of all potential screening tools. Multiple treatments for OSA reduce AHI, ESS scores, and blood pressure. Trials of CPAP and other treatments have not established whether treatment reduces mortality or improves most other health outcomes, except for modest improvement in sleep-related quality of life.” (1, p. 415)
Sleep physicians believe they are helping patients reverse the consequences of OSA when they prescribe CPAP. But clear data in support of this has been lacking.
The AASM practice parameter recommends the use of CPAP for treatment of OSA because it reduces apnea. (2) The 2006 paper cites evidence of reduced sleepiness, improved quality of life, reduced blood pressure and minimal side effects as indications for use.
But, as the USPSTF points out, there is little evidence to support increased lifespan or reduced cardiovascular events. And, as data from the recent SAVE study showed, CPAP did not reduce cardiovascular events in patients with moderate-to-severe OSA. (3)
We don’t have much new to say about mortality or other health outcomes, but we have some new evidence to bolster the benefits of CPAP for health-related quality of life (HRQoL).
Let’s not underestimate the value of improved HRQoL. The AASM has included quality of life as one of the outcomes measures for OSA. (5) The improvement in the BestAIR study occurred even with the usual levels of adherence: an average of 3.8 hours of use per night and only 43.4% of patients meeting the arbitrary Medicare criterion of > 4 hours per night for 70% of nights. (4) The reduction in bodily pain was significant at p = .001.
Most of us would strongly consider a treatment even when the only benefit was feeling better, especially when the incidence of side effects is low.
It may be time for sleep professionals to move away from saying, “you have to use CPAP or you will die” to “try some CPAP; it will make you feel better.”
As far as your post, it explains a lot, like your other posts, you are reading the print on the bottom the trash cans. Jim
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get yourself treated and be able to read a study completely!
this is sooo funny.
I read the study you are talking about. It was not about "how good is xPAP" - it was basically a review study for the diagnostic tools available! And they only included studies in english.
They said very, very clear that there simply are not enough relevant studies to say wether or not xPAP really extends the livespan. On the other said they said (and I quote)
Really, if you have SA your O2 levels are not more important than AHI and TTIA/H .. if you would care for them you would actually be able to understand the basics^^
I read the study you are talking about. It was not about "how good is xPAP" - it was basically a review study for the diagnostic tools available! And they only included studies in english.
They said very, very clear that there simply are not enough relevant studies to say wether or not xPAP really extends the livespan. On the other said they said (and I quote)
really: start the treatment! - do it right! You will be amazed when (if?) you get to the point where you can actually read a whole stude (lots of pages) and at the still remember what it was about and why you did that in the first place.good evidence has established that persons with severe OSA die at twice the rate of controls
Really, if you have SA your O2 levels are not more important than AHI and TTIA/H .. if you would care for them you would actually be able to understand the basics^^
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I think it's stuck in the bottom of the trash can, and the print on the Gum is too small for me to read.xxyzx wrote:===============Goofproof wrote:============xxyzx wrote:Lately, the news has not been great for CPAP users and the sleep centers that care for them. The USPSTF recommended against screening of asymptomatic patients and, in doing so, threw some major shade on the use of CPAP.
They wrote: “There is uncertainty about the accuracy or clinical utility of all potential screening tools. Multiple treatments for OSA reduce AHI, ESS scores, and blood pressure. Trials of CPAP and other treatments have not established whether treatment reduces mortality or improves most other health outcomes, except for modest improvement in sleep-related quality of life.” (1, p. 415)
Sleep physicians believe they are helping patients reverse the consequences of OSA when they prescribe CPAP. But clear data in support of this has been lacking.
The AASM practice parameter recommends the use of CPAP for treatment of OSA because it reduces apnea. (2) The 2006 paper cites evidence of reduced sleepiness, improved quality of life, reduced blood pressure and minimal side effects as indications for use.
But, as the USPSTF points out, there is little evidence to support increased lifespan or reduced cardiovascular events. And, as data from the recent SAVE study showed, CPAP did not reduce cardiovascular events in patients with moderate-to-severe OSA. (3)
We don’t have much new to say about mortality or other health outcomes, but we have some new evidence to bolster the benefits of CPAP for health-related quality of life (HRQoL).
Let’s not underestimate the value of improved HRQoL. The AASM has included quality of life as one of the outcomes measures for OSA. (5) The improvement in the BestAIR study occurred even with the usual levels of adherence: an average of 3.8 hours of use per night and only 43.4% of patients meeting the arbitrary Medicare criterion of > 4 hours per night for 70% of nights. (4) The reduction in bodily pain was significant at p = .001.
Most of us would strongly consider a treatment even when the only benefit was feeling better, especially when the incidence of side effects is low.
It may be time for sleep professionals to move away from saying, “you have to use CPAP or you will die” to “try some CPAP; it will make you feel better.”
More Junk writing, but they still got paid, that was the point, get (over) Paid.
As far as your post, it explains a lot, like your other posts, you are reading the print on the bottom the trash cans. Jim
so you think AASM is a bunch of quacks and a double blind study with the results to back up their statement is trash
do you have any scientific evidence to dispute their conclusions
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!
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If the only concern is mortality, then yes there is little evidence that PAP therapy decreases mortality. Of course, that does not address any other benefits such as daily functioning, increased auto accidents, other sleep depravation related accidents, and the quality of life issues. I my mind, the studies that look only at mortality omit what health and wellness are all about. After all would you rather live to 90 and be functional, cognizant and coherent or live to 100 and be mentally a one year old? Those type of effects are not summarized in this type of mortality study. It is a defect in how the US looks at medical care, death is not the only undesirable outcome of not treating conditions like OSA.
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Not only that, but using the criteria of ">4 hours per night, 70% of nights" tells us very little. 4 hours a night for 70% of nights, IMHO, will not yield nearly the benefits of 7 or 8 hours a night, 100% of nights. A truly well designed study would look at the outcomes for the latter group and compare it both to the 4 hours/70% group and an untreated group. It's like saying a daily dose of 400 IU of vitamin D gives only modest benefits, instead of recognizing that most people actually need at least 2000 IU per day up to 10,000 IU per day of vitamin D for optimal benefit.
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Just what we need, more parroting of things not understood by the bird.xxyzx wrote:Polly want a cracker
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+1MaryLand wrote:Not only that, but using the criteria of ">4 hours per night, 70% of nights" tells us very little. 4 hours a night for 70% of nights, IMHO, will not yield nearly the benefits of 7 or 8 hours a night, 100% of nights. A truly well designed study would look at the outcomes for the latter group and compare it both to the 4 hours/70% group and an untreated group. It's like saying a daily dose of 400 IU of vitamin D gives only modest benefits, instead of recognizing that most people actually need at least 2000 IU per day up to 10,000 IU per day of vitamin D for optimal benefit.
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