Microsoft no longer sells Windows XP

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:26 pm

DSM,

Wow, thanks for all the info., not that I fully understand what you are saying,

Do you mean that with the 1 cd with the vista and all other programs installed on it (since it came pre-installed on my lap top that I can't wipe-out/erase the whole pc and start with a fresh version of XP? Or would I need a new motherboard that supported and needed new drivers that supported XP?

I'm confused about this! If I go and buy XP at the store, can I remove my entire operating system, programs, etc. that came pre-installed on this gateway lap-top pc?

Thanks,

SleepyNoMore

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:05 pm

Microsoft offer a certificate that allows a Vista user to run XP on their computer but MS won't supply the XP CD, they say, fid it yourself - we just use the ones from work as the MS certificate allows us to do it.

One of our Architects recently went through this procedure after getting fed up with Vista at home. He had too many crashes where he lost valuable data. He is particularly meticulous & was the one who found that Microsoft will give you the authority to run XP if you have a valid Vista lic.

I bought a SONY micro PC (a VGN-UX280N) that had vista on & wanted to backlevel it. Sony had on their website 600MB of downloads that allowed the machine to be backlevelled. I did the downloads but before doing the backlevelling decided to sell the VGN-UX280N but I believe most vendors offer the XP drivers as free downloads from their web sites.

What laptop brand and model is it you have ?

DSM

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:09 pm

Anonymous wrote:Thank Jim,

You are right, my first gateway desktop pc came with several cd's, now the gateway destop I have came with only one cd, same with my gateway lap-top but, I don't like it with that because the vista is in the one cd that does it all so it would put totally different drivers in there if I tried installing XP and might not be compatable with my motherboard etc.!!

I will call gateway monday and see what they say...
Thanks for all the info,

Have a great day,

SleepyNoMore

By the way,

Most vendors actually have Vista on the hard disk & there are no CDs (it would need to be a DVD Vista is sooo big).

When you 1st activate the PC it installs itself from this 5GB special partition.
The CD you have may be the drivers ?

I haven't seen a Vista PC yet that had seperate install CDs/DVDs with it.

I do have a Vista upgrade DVD that we used at work to convert Vista Home Basic to Vista Business. I know that Vista can be purchased on DVDs for anyone brave enough to want to install it on their existing PC.

DSM

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:17 pm

myapapismadhot wrote:"oh well, go here you can download ubuntu desktop for free, it already has Firefox installed and OpenOffice, no hardware upgrade needed, no viruses, no trojans, nearly all the software for it you install is free. "

I think you're painting a too rosy picture of linux. It's not for the average person. There are still, and always will be, problems with drivers of peripheral devices. A hardware upgrade or change may be needed. Not all motherboards are supported by Ubuntu. Doing anything out of the box means using the command line. Of course, command line commands vary by distro, so even if you can find instructions online about what you're doing, they have to fit your distro. Ubuntu itself is fragmented. You have Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc, so if you have a problem and find an answer on their forums, it might not even apply to you.

Linux is great for the server world or for the hobbyist who likes wasting a full afternoon making a scanner work, but it's not for the average person. There's a reason why it's free and almost nobody uses it.

Suggesting a Mac for a home desktop would be a much better idea. Also, Microsoft has stopped selling XP, but you'll still be able to find copies. They're still releasing security fixes for it and given how ingrained it is in the corporate infrastructure, it will be around for a long time to come.

Ubuntu was developed for the "human" person as opposed to the average person

I loaded Ubuntu about 3 months ago and find it no more difficult to use than Windows. I will admit that the only flaw is if you have to use specific proprietary software not available for Linux ... like the CPAP software

Otherwise, I like it and plan to migrate completely ... would do it sooner rather than later if I could figure out how to read the raw data in ASCII format off the Encore smart card. For now, I'm very happy using Linux for all my internet stuff.

billbolton · Post by **billbolton** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:41 pm

dsm wrote:Microsoft offer a certificate that allows a Vista user to run XP on their computer but MS won't supply the XP CD

That downgrade licence provision is only applicable for users of Vista Business and Vista Ultimate editions, it doesn't apply to the other Vista editions.

Cheers,

Bill

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:44 pm

Microsoft is going to be "supporting" XP for some time to come.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

I would think that it would be relatively easy, at this point, to find an XP install CD and product number to use......if you really want/need one.

Den

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:03 pm

Wulfman wrote:Microsoft is going to be "supporting" XP for some time to come.

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

I would think that it would be relatively easy, at this point, to find an XP install CD and product number to use......if you really want/need one.

Den

Might differ in the US but they list the Aust support as ...

Mainstream support 14-april-2009

Extended support 8-apr-2014

That should see me ready to retire - just in time too

DSM

billbolton · Post by **billbolton** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:41 pm

Wulfman wrote:Microsoft is going to be "supporting" XP for some time to come.

In practice that means they will be supporting corporate users of XP "for some time", not individual end users. Any "break-fix" for problems experienced by individual XP users has been effectively dead in the water for over a year now anyway.

My personal experience with Vista x64 on contemporary hardware is that it is very stable... much more so than XP has ever been for me!

Cheers,

Bill

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:04 am

I guess Microsoft will reap a windfall if ever the corporate world decide to spend billions on new computers to run Vista, and that won't increase productivity. Perhaps slow it a bit ? -

DSM

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:46 am

There will ALWAYS be cheap copies from China

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:52 am

Snoredog wrote:There will ALWAYS be cheap copies from China

But even the Chinese gave up on Vista, they clone XP

They are pretty smart when it comes to better bang for the buck(shee)

DSM

6PtStar · Post by **6PtStar** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:08 am

Looks like the bidding and price is up on E-Bay since the anouncement.

Jerry

Bid bid · Post by **Bid bid** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:33 am

I really don't understand why so many people bitch on Vista before tried it!!

Vista work really well ... This is the most solid OS on the market, about 50% faster than XP, and the smoothest Windows ever released...

And it is 100% customizable... I mean skinable, if, like me, you don't like its default skin!!

Yes MacOS is a good solution... but their is no more simplicity on this side, isn't? The user's experience of MacOS X is really good but not more than Windows Vista... May by a little more smooth...

Linux or ubuntu : Is there anybody succeeded to work with this crap??? Sometime I though that finally someone released a good Linux version : Ubuntu... But after installing it and a lot of system hang and reinstall and auto-update that scrap the installation I realize that Ubuntu is not ready for the market ... Linux is really deep shit ... Unusable for regular computer users... (Except be BeOS that does not exist anymore)...

6PtStar · Post by **6PtStar** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:39 pm

Bid bid wrote:I really don't understand why so many people bitch on Vista before tried it!

Because I went to the Microsoft and ran the compatibility program on my system and it says that about 65% of my software is not compatable with Vista. Almost none of my cards in my system are compatable. This translates to too many $$$$$$$$ to replace and several of the programs are not yet available to run on Vista even if I had the money. Vista is all about money. Vista does nothing that I need that XP won't do at least yet.

Jerry

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:11 pm

I talked to one of my suppliers yesterday and he said that XP Pro will still be available for awhile.

I find it really offensive when the OS and equipment manufacturers get together to try to make everything obsolete every few years and you have to buy new hardware (with mega-gigabytes of memory) and new software in order to do basically the same things you've been doing all along.

Den

Machine	Mask

Additional Comments: Airmini, Medistrom Pilot 24, CMS 60C Pulse Oximeter, ResScan 6

Microsoft no longer sells Windows XP

???

Re: ???