Hypopnea event and a sleep paralysis experience

one thing about having a data capable machine and software, you can get scientific about some things (or pseudo scientific).
(edit: I woke at the last hyponea event 3:05pm on the clock - from this sleep paralysis event).
the other afternoon, during a long afternoon nap, I had sleep paralysis. this is when you are dreaming, but initially think you are awake, and try to but cannot get up to move. I had these frequently and learnt to relax and wait for it to pass. this one though I tried the jerky wakey technique and I woke up eventually - it's like a panic state.
but this time I was armed with data, logged into sleephead and saw an hyponea event exactly at the time I awoke from this state.
the flow rate , vent rate and respiration rates went up.
if only I had an event duration data capable machine or my O2 meter on.

my guess is that maybe these sleep paralysis events are arousals that dont quite work, the brain says wake, the body stays stiff. panic sets in.
some members may have some ideas and better interpretations of the following graphs, welcome to discuss.
or I am just crazy and that causes hypopneas.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj5 ... 193529.png


Ill also, pending diagnosis and remedial surgery be pondering if some forms of apnea are caused by chronic pain - if my apnea disappears after the anticipated suregery (and the pain goes away), then that would be most interesting. though you'd think it would be more central apneas if it was the brain protesting too much , which I dont have (the apneas that is, I do have a brain, and least I think I do, therefore I must, have a brain that is, not think necessarily).

Hi - As far as I'm aware, with a little work related education thrown in, sleep paralysis is not related to OSA, though is a neurological phenomenon.

Maybe sleep apnea is not related to sleep paralysis, but some apnea patients have complaints related to this problem. Something is going on in our brain... Those dreams can be a real message from your brain. But what does it mean?

Sleepynight wrote:Maybe sleep apnea is not related to sleep paralysis, but some apnea patients have complaints related to this problem. Something is going on in our brain... Those dreams can be a real message from your brain. But what does it mean?

I suspect it has more to do with being CPAPers being awakened in the sleep paralysis susceptible part of your night's sleep more than you having more "sleep paralysis" time during the night's rest.

Well if it's really sleep paralysis then you have to look at the possibility of narcolepsy.

deltadave wrote:Well if it's really sleep paralysis then you have to look at the possibility of narcolepsy.

Is his description consistent with true sleep paralysis seem in narcolepsy:

peterg wrote:the other afternoon, during a long afternoon nap, I had sleep paralysis. this is when you are dreaming, but initially think you are awake, and try to but cannot get up to move.

Can this type of event, occurring occasionally, be a normal phenomena?

There have been a few times, and it's usually during daytime naps (which by definition means I'm overly tired, as I try not to nap), not night. I dream that I'm trying to wake up and get up, but can't. Sometimes I'll dream that I can't move and that I'm crawling on the floor or something trying to get up, and then I realize I haven't moved at all. It's a rare occurrence.

I have suffered from Sleep Paralysis most of my life, although incidents have decreased markedly in recent years since I no longer regularly drink alcohol and that can bring on the effects of the disorder.

The feeling of being entirely awake and unable to move was initially frightening when I was a child, but as I grew up I became used to it. The feeling of being awake and levitating/floating around the room can be very strange....the halluncinations are extremely vivid. Not all people with SP have narcolepsy...I certainly don't. I do know there is a genetic component since my brother also has experienced it to a lesser degree.

My daughter appears to inherited some of my sleep disorders since she has "night terrors" nearly every other day.

Cotay wrote:Not all people with SP have narcolepsy...

Right. Cataplexy is a far better marker.

BTW, did you hear about the increased incidence of narcolepsy in children and adolescents who received influenza vaccine? It was discovered in one of those Scandinavian countries, like Sweden or Iowa.

deltadave wrote:BTW, did you hear about the increased incidence of narcolepsy in children and adolescents who received influenza vaccine? It was discovered in one of those Scandinavian countries, like Sweden or Iowa.

Really?? Do you have a reference to an article? That's scary. I always get my kids flu shots.

SleepingUgly wrote:

deltadave wrote:BTW, did you hear about the increased incidence of narcolepsy in children and adolescents who received influenza vaccine? It was discovered in one of those Scandinavian countries, like Sweden or Iowa.

Really?? Do you have a reference to an article? That's scary. I always get my kids flu shots.

See, there you go! That's probably who you caught your narcolepsy from!

OK, It isn't Iowa. Iowa's in Great Britian.

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topic ... tement/en/

Geez, not more flu vaccine scare from a single study with inconclusive results. Flu kills an average of 40,000 people a year in the US. Some of the more recent strains kill healthy people more frequently than they kill the old and weak. Definitely dead, not a few cases of some medical condition with a weak statistical link to the flu vaccine.

Yes, you're going to feel guilty if your kid gets some medical condition and you worry that the vaccine might have done it. How are you going to feel if you don't give the kid the vaccine and he dies from the flu? How's the kids life going to be if he gets the flu and gives it to one of his parents and they die?

The way you described it sounds like how the doc asked my husband when they were figuring out what symptoms of narco he has. But not all narco people have all symotoms. True almost all have cataplexy. But there are those lucky birds who hit the medical "lottery" and have no other symptom beyond and forgive me if I'm using laymans terms but his rem sleep is all outta whack, which I thought just meant if he was immobile for more than a minute, he was out and in rem sleep, but his sleep cycles at night are also outta whack.

Btw you said you were taking a nap, is that common occurrence? If so it might be an idea to talk to your sleep doc.

Night terrors are also a symptom of narcolepsy.

Granted yes, there are other things that cause these things, but it's always nice when you can rule things out... Here's what Stanford says about narcolepsy symptoms...

"The main symptoms of narcolepsy are excessive daytime sleepiness and abnormal REM sleep: Narcolepsy is not only a serious and common medical problem, it also offers basic sleep researchers a unique opportunity to gather new information on the central mechanisms regulating REM sleep and alertness. Since the 1960s it has been known that several of the disabling symptoms of narcolepsy, such as sleep paralysis, cataplexy and hypnagogic hallucinations, are pathological equivalents of REM sleep. In sleep paralysis, a frightening symptom considered to be an abnormal episode of REM sleep atonia, the patient suddenly finds himself unable to move for a few minutes, most often upon falling asleep or waking up. During hypnagogic hallucinations, patients experience dream-like auditory or visual hallucinations, while dozing or falling asleep. Cataplexy, a pathological equivalent of REM sleep atonia unique to narcolepsy, is a striking, sudden episode of muscle weakness triggered by emotions. Typically, the patient's knees buckle and may give way upon laughing, elation, surprise or anger. In other typical cataplectic attacks the head may drop or the jaw may become slack. In severe cases, the patient might fall down and become completely paralyzed for a few seconds to several minutes. Reflexes are abolished during the attack."

I'm still learning about narcolepsy, and don't focus on the parts my husband doesn't have beyond knowing what they are so I can recognize them if they ever do start... So look into it on your own... Stanfords website seems to be the most comprehensive but at times it's hard to read with a md...

archangle wrote:Geez, not more flu vaccine scare from a single study with inconclusive results. Flu kills an average of 40,000 people a year in the US. Some of the more recent strains kill healthy people more frequently than they kill the old and weak. Definitely dead, not a few cases of some medical condition with a weak statistical link to the flu vaccine.

Yes, you're going to feel guilty if your kid gets some medical condition and you worry that the vaccine might have done it. How are you going to feel if you don't give the kid the vaccine and he dies from the flu? How's the kids life going to be if he gets the flu and gives it to one of his parents and they die?

Lol... That's how I feel about all that stuff... My kids get every vaccine they can... First off let me say vaccines are different than meds.... these poor moms believe vaccines cause anything from autism to now narcolepsy... And then they thought pesticides on apples caused ADHD... And the list goes on.,, come to find out there's no real way to determine any of this... Every person body is different... If you drink caffeine it might amp you up, I drink caffeine and I can think straight because for me, the stimulant slows my brain down... And then hubby can drink caffeine and go to sleep... (yes I'm making a narco joke... Man could do cocaine and prob sleep... Not that he's tried, just making a point) Not to mention not even identical twins can have super different brain chemistry... So if you follow the scientific approach, there's no real way to have a control subject. So maybe out of a million people that got said vaccine, 100000 developed some condition, wellmwas it the vaccine? You have medical records of that, but you don't have records or the knowledge of living in a house with black mold for 3 years... Same is true for the other 99999, so what do they blame it on?

In truth, they don't know what causes autism, ADHD, narcolepsy and that list goes on... So they are reaching at straws. Some researchers just want to make a name for themselves so they publish some article saying "scientist investigates flu vaccines as cause of narcolepsy" all of a sudden 10,000 extra people die cause they declined the vaccine. And in reality all that scientist did was think of what would get his article searched for the most and voila.... Doubt he even really researched it... Vaccines do far more good than bad. And look for cold hard data regarding people getting sick from a vaccine, I mean look all the way back, and at reliable sources... If memory serves me right from my college papers, I think there have been maybe 10 vaccines that the drs have successfully concluded caused something and if I remember correctly, they weren't that bad. I think I looked it up with the CDC...