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Looking for answers too a STUPID Questions

Post by Bert_Mathews » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:29 pm

I have a NEW S9 vpap & here is a reading I'm not sure of:Image
Is there a Microphone on the machine?Image
Is there a control?Image
What is it reading.?
Image. . . . . < Just a NOTE-- I blamed it on my wife's SNORING !!! Image
ImageSORRY I can't repeat the reply she made - It contained a few 4 letter words! >

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If there is a Mic I have NPR playing in my ears -MORE- as white noise and to cut down Tinnitus <It really helps> could that be producing this record??

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Re: Looking for answers too a STUPID Questions

Post by jnk » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:49 pm

How does a ResMed AutoSet device measure snore?

It has a pressure transducer that measures vibrations of the airflow.
http://www.resmed.com/au/clinicians/com ... clinicians

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Post by archangle » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:52 pm

If you think about it a pressure transducer is a microphone. It probably has a really bad frequency response and sensitivity, though.

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Post by jnk » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:06 pm

This may have changed over the years:
Snoring Detection
Snoring is detected by the pressure sensor. The pressure signal passes through a 30 Hz to 200 Hz band-pass filter. The output of the filter is rectified, then integrated. This signal is scaled by an empirically determined constant to a unit snore value, and an estimate of the motor noise (modeled as a second order polynomial) is subtracted. The resultant instantaneous snore signal is averaged over the inspiratory cycle, then compared with a standard “snore” threshold signal that excludes motor and airflow noise (Figure 11)
http://www.ee.usyd.edu.au/ELEC3802/User ... e/CPAP.pdf

So turn down the bass, maybe?

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Post by Kairosgrammy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:16 pm

I would imagine its possible. I look at my vsnore rating and I was like, 8 times in an hour. Are you kidding me. Cpap is supposed to fix apnea and the snoring. Finally figured out, it was me clearing my throat which I do a lot due to asthma.
Bert_Mathews wrote:I have a NEW S9 vpap & here is a reading I'm not sure of:Image
Is there a Microphone on the machine?Image
Is there a control?Image
What is it reading.?
Image. . . . . < Just a NOTE-- I blamed it on my wife's SNORING !!! Image
ImageSORRY I can't repeat the reply she made - It contained a few 4 letter words! >

Image

If there is a Mic I have NPR playing in my ears -MORE- as white noise and to cut down Tinnitus <It really helps> could that be producing this record??

Image

THANKX for any reply's Image

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Re: Looking for answers too a STUPID Questions

Post by Kairosgrammy » Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:17 pm

Oh and there are no stupid questions. Ask away.
Bert_Mathews wrote:I have a NEW S9 vpap & here is a reading I'm not sure of:Image
Is there a Microphone on the machine?Image
Is there a control?Image
What is it reading.?
Image. . . . . < Just a NOTE-- I blamed it on my wife's SNORING !!! Image
ImageSORRY I can't repeat the reply she made - It contained a few 4 letter words! >

Image

If there is a Mic I have NPR playing in my ears -MORE- as white noise and to cut down Tinnitus <It really helps> could that be producing this record??

Image

THANKX for any reply's Image

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Post by Bert_Mathews » Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:50 am

jnk wrote:This may have changed over the years:
Snoring Detection
Snoring is detected by the pressure sensor. The pressure signal passes through a 30 Hz to 200 Hz band-pass filter. The output of the filter is rectified, then integrated. This signal is scaled by an empirically determined constant to a unit snore value, and an estimate of the motor noise (modeled as a second order polynomial) is subtracted. The resultant instantaneous snore signal is averaged over the inspiratory cycle, then compared with a standard “snore” threshold signal that excludes motor and airflow noise (Figure 11)
http://www.ee.usyd.edu.au/ELEC3802/User ... e/CPAP.pdf

So turn down the bass, maybe?
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Post by Pugsy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:29 am

Does this mean I can't blame my snores on my Pug dog since he isn't wearing my mask for the flow sensor thing? I thought there was a microphone like thingy...I know for a fact that I see copious snores on the reports when I am for sure awake and the little dog is up by my head. What about hose crinkling noise?

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Post by Kairosgrammy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:50 am

I'm with you. My snores coincide with throat clearing. I refuse to believe I snore still.
Pugsy wrote:Does this mean I can't blame my snores on my Pug dog since he isn't wearing my mask for the flow sensor thing? I thought there was a microphone like thingy...I know for a fact that I see copious snores on the reports when I am for sure awake and the little dog is up by my head. What about hose crinkling noise?

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Post by NateS » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:04 pm

I have a S9 VPAP Adapt but I have never seen a snore graph on my ResScan or SleepyHead reports. And checking Options and Preferences I see no option to add one. How could I be missing this? Especially since I have been reported to snore - as in "Roll Over, Dear!"

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Post by jnk » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:10 pm

I would think it entirely possible that the sensor could pick up any thump or rumble near the machine or what it sits on. Hose ridges rubbing against a headboard or a hose bumping something hard could easily do the trick, I assume.

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Post by archangle » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:31 pm

Pugsy wrote:Does this mean I can't blame my snores on my Pug dog since he isn't wearing my mask for the flow sensor thing? I thought there was a microphone like thingy...I know for a fact that I see copious snores on the reports when I am for sure awake and the little dog is up by my head. What about hose crinkling noise?
I believe the pug snore sound has to come through into the machine through the hose. If the pug is sleeping on the hose, it might conduct into the hose.

Experiment with it. Plug up the hose, try to make loud snoring noises near the machine. Try holding the hose against your throat and try to make snoring noises.

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Post by Pugsy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:51 pm

archangle wrote: Experiment with it. Plug up the hose, try to make loud snoring noises near the machine. Try holding the hose against your throat and try to make snoring noises.
That's about as boring of a chore as sitting there stroking the hose and trying to make hose noises show up on the reports. Not to mention rather silly looking. It needs to be done for about 30 minutes to really show up definitively and I get so bored I finally throw up my hands and say I don't really care.

The Pug dog could very well be laying next to the hose. I lay it on the bed, around and outside the pillow so some vibration could very well be conducted through the mattress....buckwheat pillow and then through the hose from Sarge's snores since his little body is either laying on the hose or right next to the hose when he is up with his head on my shoulder. Pug dog lovers will know what I mean. These dogs but the worst sleep apnea snorers to shame.

If that is the case (conductive vibrations) if I route the hose up overhead..that should eliminate the snores. I am toying with trying to route it up overhead again. In the past I didn't like it that way but now with the heated hose I don't get rain out so no more snorting water. Haven't decided yet what to do.

If I get really bored with nothing else to do I might try another experiment to see if I can duplicate snores on the reports. To be honest...I feel extremely certain that when I see sometimes (hour long solid bands of snores) is not me and is my dog and other than laugh about it....I really don't give it a second thought. It isn't high on my list to prove or not. Real or not...it wouldn't change my therapy at all because some nights I have none and some nights I have a truckload of them.

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Post by chunkyfrog » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:18 pm

Sarge sounds like an adorable little guy.

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Re: Looking for answers too a STUPID Questions

Post by Kairosgrammy » Thu Feb 02, 2012 2:35 pm

I've heard pugs snore. Makes ya wonder if a dog can't have sleep apnea. Perhaps Sarge needs a cpap too.
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archangle wrote: Experiment with it. Plug up the hose, try to make loud snoring noises near the machine. Try holding the hose against your throat and try to make snoring noises.
These dogs but the worst sleep apnea snorers to shame.

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