Can I diagnose sleep apnea for my mom using CPAP device and OSCAR software?

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:10 am

Based on:

• Your posting history
• Lack of experience
• Argumentative nature
• Refusal to accept advice from others which more expertise and experience

You are not a good candidate to be testing and diagnosing your mother.

It doesn't matter how qualified I am.

Yes it does.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

I am asking if the software in my CPAP can diagnose sleep apnea in someone,

No, it can't,

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

I believe I am competent enough to do it if I have good step by step instructions.

Dunning Kruger says you're wrong.
Perhaps if you had *years* of experience you could get an *idea*, but no, you cannot diagnose sleep apnea in your mom with your device (or any other cpap) and Oscar, or any other software. CPAPs are not diagnostic equipment.

But it's clear you're just here to cause trouble, and argue... so I know my post, as those by everyone else, is just a waste of my time.

"Dunning-Kreuger" seems to be breaking out all over.
But W seems to have it bad.

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:10 am

So this is how it would have played out, had I just answered:

You are not a good candidate to be testing and diagnosing your mother.

you would not have accepted that answer and demanded to know why.

At which point, I would have responded:

Based on:

• Your posting history
• Lack of experience
• Argumentative nature
• Refusal to accept advice from others which more expertise and experience

And we'd be in the exact same place.

Cripes, re-read your own post:
I stated one of the reasons is, your lack of experience. You quoted it and stated, "I'm not stupid. Just inexperienced with CPAP."

Let that sink in for a bit.

You misunderstood the question though. I don't know why. I was not asking about me or my qualifications. I was asking about whether the Nitelog program or typical pre-installed default CPAP program on most devices can diagnose sleep apnea. That's the main question. For some odd reason, you twisted it into a question about my qualifications. Kind of illogical.

I got a question about my Nitelog software.

When I download the data from the device using Nitelog, it shows a report with green bars, yellow bars and red bars for the AHI, which is apnea hypoxnea indicator or something. So it seems that if apnea happens 1 to 5 times, it's green bar, which means good normal sleep. Yellow bar means 5 to 15 times for mild sleep apnea, and red bars mean 15 and above. Most of my bars are yellow. So does this mean that apnea happened 5 to 15 times per hour? If so, did the CPAP pressure prevent that apnea from occuring or was unable to prevent it? I'm a bit confused about that. Can anyone explain? I tried to look at the user manual from Breas, the manufacturer, but it said nothing about it. And the manufacturer doesn't like to tell me much for legal reasons, I guess they are afraid of getting sued or something. Americans are so paranoid about such things. lol

Does a lot of yellow bars mean that the CPAP treatment was successful and worked and gave me a decent night's sleep? It seems like it, because during the day I don't feel drowsy anymore and I don't doze off randomly anymore. Before when I would sit on a couch I'd doze off randomly. I hated that. It felt out of control. Now I no longer feel drowsy or dose off. So that's a good thing. Seems to have made a difference there.

Is the goal to get all green bars or are yellow bars good enough? Would I have to increase the pressure on the CPAP? I have it set for 7 to 20 on auto cpap. There is an apap 3 setting with more pressure than the default apap 2 setting. Are you supposed to increase the pressure so that you will have all green bars on Nitelog? What would a sleep clinician say? Any idea?

Thanks in advance.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:59 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:10 am

So this is how it would have played out, had I just answered:

You are not a good candidate to be testing and diagnosing your mother.

you would not have accepted that answer and demanded to know why.

At which point, I would have responded:

Based on:

• Your posting history
• Lack of experience
• Argumentative nature
• Refusal to accept advice from others which more expertise and experience

And we'd be in the exact same place.

Cripes, re-read your own post:
I stated one of the reasons is, your lack of experience. You quoted it and stated, "I'm not stupid. Just inexperienced with CPAP."

Let that sink in for a bit.

You misunderstood the question though. I don't know why. I was not asking about me or my qualifications. I was asking about whether the Nitelog program or typical pre-installed default CPAP program on most devices can diagnose sleep apnea. That's the main question. For some odd reason, you twisted it into a question about my qualifications. Kind of illogical.

You are the one twisting the question.

Read the title of the topic.

"Can I diagnose sleep apnea for my mom using CPAP device and OSCAR software?"

That is pretty clear, your question asked if *you* could diagnose her sleep apnea using the device and software.

Don't be dishonest.

palerider wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:46 pm

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

Dog Slobber wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:10 am

Based on:

• Your posting history
• Lack of experience
• Argumentative nature
• Refusal to accept advice from others which more expertise and experience

You are not a good candidate to be testing and diagnosing your mother.

It doesn't matter how qualified I am.

Yes it does.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

I am asking if the software in my CPAP can diagnose sleep apnea in someone,

No, it can't,

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:47 am

I believe I am competent enough to do it if I have good step by step instructions.

Dunning Kruger says you're wrong.
Perhaps if you had *years* of experience you could get an *idea*, but no, you cannot diagnose sleep apnea in your mom with your device (or any other cpap) and Oscar, or any other software. CPAPs are not diagnostic equipment.

But it's clear you're just here to cause trouble, and argue... so I know my post, as those by everyone else, is just a waste of my time.

What is Dunning Kruger? I'm not familiar with that term.

Please don't say that I am here to cause trouble. That's not true and is insulting. It's a form of mild slander. Ask anyone who knows me, they will tell you I never go and cause trouble. I am here for genuine help with important questions. I swear to God. That's why I came here. I'm not a troublemaker or troll. No way man. My time is precious. I'd rather do something else more constructive than cause trouble on internet forums. Besides, I don't have the time to play games on here. I have my own large forum to run and I have a hard time enough keeping up with it as it is. So no, I have no spare time to go around "causing trouble". Definitely not. I swear to God you are wrong. Please stop trying to denigrate me and make false statements about me. It's a form of mild slander. I ask you politely to stop. Thanks.

Anyway, back to the point at hand. If my Nitelog app can tell how many times that sleep apnea has occured with green, yellow and red bars, then in theory I can test if someone has apnea with it right? For example, if I hook my mom up with it, and the data report the next day shows that she has yellow or red bars, that means she has apnea more than 5 times per hour (yellow bar) or more than 15 times per hour (red bar) right? According to the apnea chart that is. Why wouldn't that be an indicator of apnea? I don't get it. Can you explain please? Where is the flaw in my reasoning?

Thanks for your time.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

Ask anyone who knows me, they will tell you I never go and cause trouble.

Now that is a good idea.
Give us name, address and phone number of a few.
We will get back to you with the results.

JPB

jimbud wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:08 am

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

Ask anyone who knows me, they will tell you I never go and cause trouble.

Now that is a good idea.
Give us name, address and phone number of a few.
We will get back to you with the results.

JPB

You're being facetious right? lol. If not, you can come to my forum and PM me and I can give you usernames of some of my close friends which you can PM in my forum who know me in real life, and have known me for years. If interested, PM me and I'll give you the link to my forum. You can ask all the posters there too, they've known me for years online, some offline too. I know you were probably kidding, but I'm just saying that yes, I can always back up everything I say, and I'm as real as it gets.

In addition, those who know me well will also attest that I'm the most honest no-nonsense person they know, probably too honest for my own good. As a matter of fact, I'm actually a public figure by the way, with a reputation for bold honesty, not some anonymous person online. There are entries on me on a few Wiki sites too (not Wikipedia though) and on Reddit too. So I'm not some anonymous person. If interested, PM me for links. I don't wanna post links about me here because I don't want to come off as a self-aggrandizing narcissist promoting myself here. Plus I don't know if promoting one's own websites and links is allowed here either. Many forums don't allow that kind of thing.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:41 pm

I don't want to come off as a self-aggrandizing narcissist promoting myself here.

Too late.

JPB

Popcorn, again?

Where's Zonker with the popcorn when we need it?

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

What is Dunning Kruger? I'm not familiar with that term.

Now THAT is funny.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

Please don't say that I am here to cause trouble.

I only speak the truth.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

That's not true and is insulting.

See above.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

That is completely false, as most of your driveling likely is.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

My time is precious.

So is ours, stop wasting it.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I'd rather do something else more constructive than cause trouble on internet forums.

And yet, here you are, causing trouble and being a fool.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I have my own large forum to run

Don't you have "a large forum"[sic] to run? shoo, go away.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

A patently false allegation on your part.

palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:38 pm

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

What is Dunning Kruger? I'm not familiar with that term.

Now THAT is funny.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

Please don't say that I am here to cause trouble.

I only speak the truth.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

That's not true and is insulting.

See above.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

That is completely false, as most of your driveling likely is.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

My time is precious.

So is ours, stop wasting it.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I'd rather do something else more constructive than cause trouble on internet forums.

And yet, here you are, causing trouble and being a fool.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I have my own large forum to run

Don't you have "a large forum"[sic] to run? shoo, go away.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

A patently false allegation on your part.

The Pale One doesn't do Mild!

palerider wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:38 pm

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

What is Dunning Kruger? I'm not familiar with that term.

Now THAT is funny.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

Please don't say that I am here to cause trouble.

I only speak the truth.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

That's not true and is insulting.

See above.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

That is completely false, as most of your driveling likely is.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

My time is precious.

So is ours, stop wasting it.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I'd rather do something else more constructive than cause trouble on internet forums.

And yet, here you are, causing trouble and being a fool.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

I have my own large forum to run

Don't you have "a large forum"[sic] to run? shoo, go away.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:17 am

It's a form of mild slander.

A patently false allegation on your part.

Dude YOU are the one being disruptive here. I am not looking for an argument or fight. Leave me alone please. I never did anything wrong to you. So the problem must be YOU. You must be projecting your demons onto me. No doubt you have demons from looking at your avatar.

Don't you understand? It takes TWO or more people to start a conflict. Not one. I have no beef with you. But YOU seem to be trying to ESCALATE something with me. I am NOT trying to escalate anything with you. Whatever faults I may have, at least I am not provoking anything with you or escalating anything. But YOU are. I got nothing against you, so if you have some problem, then you are a TOXIC individual and YOU are creating problems and disruptions and conflict here, and unnecessary ones at that. I'm sure others here can see the same. It's blatantly obvious.

I hope this isn't a small minded community that believes that the newbie is always wrong when in conflict with a veteran member, even when the veteran member is obviously in the wrong by any basic moral standard. I hate forums like that, where veteran members are always right and newbies are always wrong regardless of the truth.

In short, I am not starting any fight with you, but you definitely seem to be trying to start sh** with me. That's clear for all to see. You need to get a life and stop picking on random strangers. No sane person would do that. You act like a bully and we all know that bullies have issues.

I'm putting you on ignore from now on and putting you on my Foes list. Please stop bullying me. There should be rules against that. I NEVER did anything to you dude.

Please don't reply to my posts anymore. Thanks. I am here to learn about CPAP and get good advice about CPAP, not to waste time arguing with bullies like you over nothing. This feud is a waste of time as well as non-productive and non-constructive. Please leave me alone if you aren't gonna exchange useful info with me. Thanks.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Leave me alone please.

Hmm.. let me think...
No

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I never did anything wrong to you.

You came into a form devoted to helping people, and started acting stupid.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

So the problem must be YOU.

You just keep telling yourself that.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I hope this isn't a small minded community that believes that the newbie is always wrong

Nope, many of us have just decided that YOU are wrong.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I hate forums like that,

Maybe you should go back to your precious forum and quit darkening this one.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Please stop bullying me.

As far as I remember, I haven't given you a swirly, yet.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

Please don't reply to my posts anymore.

Depends on the post, crap like this, I'm replying to.

WWu777 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:16 pm

I am here to learn about CPAP

You've shown no evidence of that yet.