OT - vaping - cbd's

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:14 am

Tropical Diver said:

One thing to be aware of is that CBD (and THC for that matter) can bind with cytochrome p450 enzymes and thus can interact with meds processed using that same pathway. If you are taking any other meds, I would consult with your doc and pharmacist about the issue. (Personally, I would avoid vaping and research alternative approaches -- which I have not done -- such as sublingual or creams).

My friends doctor was the one who recommended it. He is also giving steroid shots which when I googled "cytochrome p450 enzymes" is also processed on the same pathway best as I can tell. I will suggest talking to the doctor who is saying to take it. Boy the doctors must sure love all of us Google keyboard warriors

I am really interested to see if the cbd works. A rescue/sanctuary I know of has been using vet recommended cbd's treats for some of the dogs with good results.

Trying to find accurate information has been a challenge as it appears cbd is pretty much the "wild west" in terms of development. Its varies greatly from state to state in what is available and how much testing is done. There are some really out there fantastical claims but also some more modest ones.

There are also millions of ways to take cbd from vaping, to oil based tinctures to the water soluble products. I was hoping someone would have some links to verified peer reviewed information.

I don't trust any of the sensational press headlines. They tend to go with the hysterical voices that garner advertising $$.

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:22 am

Trust no one.
Especially when money, politics, or religion is involved.

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:02 am

chunkyfrog wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:22 am
Trust no one.
Especially when money, politics, or religion is involved.

Truth!

Ograx · Post by **Ograx** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:41 am

I’ve tried cbd to help with sleep and even at a higher dose I didn’t seem to get better or more sleep than normal. I’ve now been trying 300 mcg dose of melatonin which is either working awesomely or I have a nice placebo effect.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am

I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:50 am

I made some claims in the CPAP therapy and was asked to support my claims.

To summarize my position:

Vaping should not be considered "good for you", nor should it be considered without risk. But, also recognize that there aren't any products that aren't without risk.
Vaping, should be encouraged as a smoking cessation tool, and I don't condone it as a vice that one should engage in any other capacity.
The harm reduction of vaping, compared tobacco is absolutely huge, I believe I used 100 fold, one of the studies I refer to suggests a 95% percent harm reduction.
A significant number of people equate the harm of vaping to be equivalent to tobacco smoke and demonize it, effectively reducing it from being considered. This misinformation is prohibitive to others using it as a tool to quit smoking.
Many misconceptions and outright lies about vaping are entrenched in society even though they have been thoroughly debunked.

My (anecdotal) experience:

I was a smoker for 30 years, had attempted to quit, unsuccessfully numerous times, using various methods.
My last cigarette was on the morning of December 18, 2014, I deliberately rationed saved two cigarettes from the previous evening to have with my morning coffee.
I bought my vaping equipment December 17th, with no prior vaping experience.
I considered quitting smoking (with the help of vaping) easy.
When I was confident that I was well past the risk of taking up smoking again, I started reducing the nicotine content in my vape juice. About a year or so.
After reducing to 0.0 nicotine content, for a few months, without deliberately trying to quit vaping I just stopped. A few hours would go by with me just forgetting to vape, then a few days, then weeks.
Had it not been for vaping, I probably would be still smoking, and my CPAP would probably be a lot more complicated because of the COPD.
My morning cough disappeared almost immediately, other ill-effects attributed to smoking disappeared soon after quitting and while I was still vaping.
I can't remember when my last vape was, my mods are still functioning (I think) and I have a few months supply of juice.
While quitting smoking by vaping, I was constantly barraged my individuals who had "heard" about all the dangers of vaping, mostly perpetuated by Facebook click-bait that had been thoroughly discounted. ie popcorn lung.
I continuously researched all material I could find while vaping.

Some studies that support my position, and there are a whole lot more not included.

2013 - University of East London, e-cigarette study presentation video (1 hour)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 6KBGH2F63A
Contains many summaries of peer reviewed studies demonstrating consistently e-cigarettes as the most successful smoking cessation product available.

Harm Reduction:

2018 - https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcent ... 018-0237-7
A review of the latest available evidence suggests that e-cigarettes are at least 95% less harmful to health than tobacco smoking [1]. E-cigarettes have become the most popular aid to quitting smoking in the UK [1]. This is perhaps particularly so for the general population not wishing to seek formal support for smoking cessation from a health professional.

Smoking cessation:

2013 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3613618425
“657 people were randomised (289 to nicotine e-cigarettes, 295 to patches, and 73 to placebo e-cigarettes) and were included in the intention-to-treat analysis. At 6 months, verified abstinence was 7·3% (21 of 289) with nicotine e-cigarettes, 5·8% (17 of 295) with patches, and 4·1% (three of 73) with placebo e-cigarettes (risk difference for nicotine e-cigarette vs patches 1·51 [95% CI −2·49 to 5·51]; for nicotine e-cigarettes vs placebo e-cigarettes 3·16 [95% CI −2·29 to 8·61]). Achievement of abstinence was substantially lower than we anticipated for the power calculation, thus we had insufficient statistical power to conclude superiority of nicotine e-cigarettes to patches or to placebo e-cigarettes.”

2012 - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 9710007920
The primary finding was that the 6-month point prevalence of smoking abstinence among the e-cigarette users in the sample was 31.0% (95% CI=24.8%, 37.2%). A large percentage of respondents reported a reduction in the number of cigarettes they smoked (66.8%) and almost half reported abstinence from smoking for a period of time (48.8%). Those respondents using e-cigarettes more than 20 times per day had a quit rate of 70.0%. Of respondents who were not smoking at 6 months, 34.3% were not using e-cigarettes or any nicotine-containing products at the time.

2014 - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... /add.12623
Among smokers who have attempted to stop without professional support, those who use e‐cigarettes are more likely to report continued abstinence than those who used a licensed NRT product bought over‐the‐counter or no aid to cessation. This difference persists after adjusting for a range of smoker characteristics such as nicotine dependence.

In closing:
There are a lot of problems with vaping, regarding, abuse, no regulations, harmful ingredients in juice, etc that should be addressed, but the solution is not to ban it, demonize or scare those away from using it as a smoking cessation tool.

The harm reduction of vaping compared to cigarette smoking is dramatic, the success rates unparalleled. If you know someone who smokes and wants to quit, vaping should be encouraged and fear-mongering them to the point where they won't consider it is harming them.

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am
I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim

Its pretty common here, many of the doctors are now advising CBD's for pain, the alternatives are habit forming and even more dangerous.

My husbands doctor has done stem cell on his back (speaking of non-approved medicine) but it is working for him. Placebo or actual benefit, shrug who knows. Either way the relief is the same. Long term issues ? Possible ? but as we are old don't think it much matters.

My friend is as old as we are. If she can get some relief from CBD well more power to her. Its legal and sold in the doctors office. It has been independent lab tested so its not the stuff sold in vape shops.

The CBD treats for dogs are also sold in vets offices. I think that is more of a true test. Dogs do not, I imagine, get a placebo effect so if they are actually showing improvement one can't say its all in the mind.

Its an interesting subject one I would love more real information on. Emotional responses from one side or the other doesn't really do anyone any favors. Knee Jerk reactions while understandable tend to not hold true in the long run.

I suspect the true benefits from cbd and other treatments like stem cell will be obvious in a few years and I imagine will fall somewhere in the middle between the omg this cures everything, to the omg this stuff will kill you camps. Hopefully the government will pull its head out and start testing some of this stuff.

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:22 am

Ograx wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:41 am
I’ve tried cbd to help with sleep and even at a higher dose I didn’t seem to get better or more sleep than normal. I’ve now been trying 300 mcg dose of melatonin which is either working awesomely or I have a nice placebo effect.

Just out of curiosity on the CBD did you try the oil or the water soluble? Did you vape it or was it tincture?

Arlene1963 · Post by **Arlene1963** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:48 am

Dog Slobber, thanks for those links.
I completely agree with your statements regarding vaping.

Here is my experience with vaping.
My husband was a heavy smoker (pack a day) for about 30 years or so.
I admit that I was very angry with him for continuing to smoke and I hated the smell of cigarettes on him. I was so worried about his health and it actually took a bit of a toll on our relationship.

He started vaping as a way to quit cigarettes about 6 years ago. I was delighted and encouraged him all the way! (Edit to add: I also researched the heck out of vaping when he started and reached the conclusion that it was a very good cessation tool for someone like my husband who had tried to quit multiple times and failed.)

He has not touched a cigarette since and has no desire to ever do so again. I am so happy and he is much healthier.

He cut down the nicotine levels until he finally just didn't need nicotine anymore.

He recently tried to vape cannabis but doesn't like it, and prefers the oral spray version. (legally available through stores here in Ottawa)

Dog Slobber · Post by **Dog Slobber** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:52 pm

Arlene1963 wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:48 am

Here is my experience with vaping.
My husband was a heavy smoker (pack a day) for about 30 years or so.
I admit that I was very angry with him for continuing to smoke and I hated the smell of cigarettes on him. I was so worried about his health and it actually took a bit of a toll on our relationship.

He started vaping as a way to quit cigarettes about 6 years ago. I was delighted and encouraged him all the way! (Edit to add: I also researched the heck out of vaping when he started and reached the conclusion that it was a very good cessation tool for someone like my husband who had tried to quit multiple times and failed.)

And had you not done the research, or just been exposed to all the fear-mongering anti-vape propaganda, there is a very good chance that your husband may still be a smoker today.

An aquaintenance of mine used to always comment on my smoking. Then when I quit and started vaping he was all over me about the dangers of vaping.

We go on a yearly fishing trip, the last few years his son has joined us, his son is a heavy smoker. He's always bugging his son to stop smoking. I take a little pleasure reminding my buddy that perhaps if had spent less time spreading the dangers of the vaping his son might be a multi-year non-smoker, like me.

You just don't give smokers reasons, not to quit.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am
I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim
Its pretty common here, many of the doctors are now advising CBD's for pain, the alternatives are habit forming and even more dangerous.

My husbands doctor has done stem cell on his back (speaking of non-approved medicine) but it is working for him. Placebo or actual benefit, shrug who knows. Either way the relief is the same. Long term issues ? Possible ? but as we are old don't think it much matters.

My friend is as old as we are. If she can get some relief from CBD well more power to her. Its legal and sold in the doctors office. It has been independent lab tested so its not the stuff sold in vape shops.

The CBD treats for dogs are also sold in vets offices. I think that is more of a true test. Dogs do not, I imagine, get a placebo effect so if they are actually showing improvement one can't say its all in the mind.

Its an interesting subject one I would love more real information on. Emotional responses from one side or the other doesn't really do anyone any favors. Knee Jerk reactions while understandable tend to not hold true in the long run.

I suspect the true benefits from cbd and other treatments like stem cell will be obvious in a few years and I imagine will fall somewhere in the middle between the omg this cures everything, to the omg this stuff will kill you camps. Hopefully the government will pull its head out and start testing some of this stuff.

I can see Pot, helping Airedales, it might help them chill out!

Jim

And you trust the Government to do the right thing, their record says the opposite!

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am
I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim
Its pretty common here, many of the doctors are now advising CBD's for pain, the alternatives are habit forming and even more dangerous.

My husbands doctor has done stem cell on his back (speaking of non-approved medicine) but it is working for him. Placebo or actual benefit, shrug who knows. Either way the relief is the same. Long term issues ? Possible ? but as we are old don't think it much matters.

My friend is as old as we are. If she can get some relief from CBD well more power to her. Its legal and sold in the doctors office. It has been independent lab tested so its not the stuff sold in vape shops.

The CBD treats for dogs are also sold in vets offices. I think that is more of a true test. Dogs do not, I imagine, get a placebo effect so if they are actually showing improvement one can't say its all in the mind.

Its an interesting subject one I would love more real information on. Emotional responses from one side or the other doesn't really do anyone any favors. Knee Jerk reactions while understandable tend to not hold true in the long run.

I suspect the true benefits from cbd and other treatments like stem cell will be obvious in a few years and I imagine will fall somewhere in the middle between the omg this cures everything, to the omg this stuff will kill you camps. Hopefully the government will pull its head out and start testing some of this stuff.
I can see Pot, helping Airedales, it might help them chill out! Jim

And you trust the Government to do the right thing, their record says the opposite!

there are several dog breeds that could be more mellow.

I think I read that pot itself is bad for dogs its the cbd's extracted from hemp that is supposed to do all these magical things.

Oh I don't trust government.

but one can always be hopeful for future generations.

Goofproof · Post by **Goofproof** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:16 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am
I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim
Its pretty common here, many of the doctors are now advising CBD's for pain, the alternatives are habit forming and even more dangerous.

My husbands doctor has done stem cell on his back (speaking of non-approved medicine) but it is working for him. Placebo or actual benefit, shrug who knows. Either way the relief is the same. Long term issues ? Possible ? but as we are old don't think it much matters.

My friend is as old as we are. If she can get some relief from CBD well more power to her. Its legal and sold in the doctors office. It has been independent lab tested so its not the stuff sold in vape shops.

The CBD treats for dogs are also sold in vets offices. I think that is more of a true test. Dogs do not, I imagine, get a placebo effect so if they are actually showing improvement one can't say its all in the mind.

Its an interesting subject one I would love more real information on. Emotional responses from one side or the other doesn't really do anyone any favors. Knee Jerk reactions while understandable tend to not hold true in the long run.

I suspect the true benefits from cbd and other treatments like stem cell will be obvious in a few years and I imagine will fall somewhere in the middle between the omg this cures everything, to the omg this stuff will kill you camps. Hopefully the government will pull its head out and start testing some of this stuff.
I can see Pot, helping Airedales, it might help them chill out! Jim

And you trust the Government to do the right thing, their record says the opposite!
there are several dog breeds that could be more mellow.

I think I read that pot itself is bad for dogs its the cbd's extracted from hemp that is supposed to do all these magical things.

Oh I don't trust government. but one can always be hopeful for future generations.

The only hope for Future Generations is that they are smarter than the Older Generation, I have yet to see anything pointing to that! ( 11 Trillion Debt, point in fact)

Jim

klm49 · Post by **klm49** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:56 pm

Don't vape or smoke anything,

babydinosnoreless · Post by **babydinosnoreless** » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:04 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:16 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:53 pm

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 pm

babydinosnoreless wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:18 am

Goofproof wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:42 am
I would surely not trust a doctor with my health that advised, smoking, vaping drugs, or drinking alcohol for my health! Jim
Its pretty common here, many of the doctors are now advising CBD's for pain, the alternatives are habit forming and even more dangerous.

My husbands doctor has done stem cell on his back (speaking of non-approved medicine) but it is working for him. Placebo or actual benefit, shrug who knows. Either way the relief is the same. Long term issues ? Possible ? but as we are old don't think it much matters.

My friend is as old as we are. If she can get some relief from CBD well more power to her. Its legal and sold in the doctors office. It has been independent lab tested so its not the stuff sold in vape shops.

The CBD treats for dogs are also sold in vets offices. I think that is more of a true test. Dogs do not, I imagine, get a placebo effect so if they are actually showing improvement one can't say its all in the mind.

Its an interesting subject one I would love more real information on. Emotional responses from one side or the other doesn't really do anyone any favors. Knee Jerk reactions while understandable tend to not hold true in the long run.

I suspect the true benefits from cbd and other treatments like stem cell will be obvious in a few years and I imagine will fall somewhere in the middle between the omg this cures everything, to the omg this stuff will kill you camps. Hopefully the government will pull its head out and start testing some of this stuff.
I can see Pot, helping Airedales, it might help them chill out! Jim

And you trust the Government to do the right thing, their record says the opposite!
there are several dog breeds that could be more mellow.

I think I read that pot itself is bad for dogs its the cbd's extracted from hemp that is supposed to do all these magical things.

Oh I don't trust government. but one can always be hopeful for future generations.
The only hope for Future Generations is that they are smarter than the Older Generation, I have yet to see anything pointing to that! ( 11 Trillion Dept, point in fact) Jim

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