CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

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CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by Dog Slobber » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:30 am

I’ve just finished a 5-week Cognitive Behavior Therapy for Insomnia (CBT-i) program and am pleased to say it helped me a great deal. Insomnia seems to be fairly common amongst CPAP users, so I thought I’d share my thoughts on it . Hopefully others can benefit from some of my experiences.


My History:

I’ve been on APAP for about a year, the first 6 months absolute hell, inconsistent therapy and problems until I had a septoplasty and turbinate reduction to fix a severely malformed septum. The surgery improved things dramatically, though not completely. Since surgery, my therapy has been terrific, with the help of CPAPTalk I’ve reduced my AHI to about 0.4.

My one nagging problem has been sleep maintenance insomnia. I wake several times a night, to a point of being very alert and then unable to get back to sleep for a long time, if at all. Occasionally, I had trouble falling asleep, but my main problem was staying asleep. Prior to CPAP, maintenance insomnia had never been a problem.


Results:

After completing the 5-week CBT-i program, it has been a huge success. Not 100% successful, I still wake up once, maybe twice a night, but not the same level of alertness, and I’m asleep again in minutes. When I go to bed at night, I’m asleep within minutes.

Although, I’m now done the formal part of my therapy, my expectations are for more improvements as I continue better sleep hygiene.


Details:
  • 5 weeks
  • Cost: $113 (CAD) - $85 (US) per session
  • 85% of cost covered by my insurance
  • Weekly 30-minute meetings with therapist via computer video conference, with weekly tasks between sessions.
  • Complete daily sleep dairy
  • CBT-i was suggested by my Sleep Doctor
Had the therapy not been insurance eligible, I probably would not have considered it.


Pre-Therapy:
  • Set up account with online site
  • Downloaded video conference software
  • Exchanged emails with therapist and set up first appointment

Week 1:
  • Met my therapist (video conference) and chatted about my particular sleep issues
  • Discussed CBT-i program
  • Discussed good sleep hygiene (thanks to CPAPTalk and ChicagoGranny, my sleep hygiene was already on point)
  • Set a target bedtime, I set mine to Midnight. Target bedtime is important because in week 2 we will be consistently getting only 6 hours sleep. i.e. If you go to bed to early say 9:00 then you get up at 3:00.
  • Completed sleep diary every day

Good Sleep Hygiene:
  • Comfortable bedroom
  • Dark
  • No Pets
  • Bed only for Sleep (and Sex)
  • No TV, radio, podcasts
  • Reduce caffeine, for me 2 coffees a day, non-after 10:00 AM
  • No Napping (if I have to max 45 minutes, not after 3:00PM)
  • No late-night bingeing

Week 2:
  • Discussed Week 1 and sleep diary
  • Told to set alarm to 6:00 AM everyday
  • Consistent bedtime 12:00 midnight, 6:00 AM
  • The idea is to be very fatigued come bedtime. (Which I was)
  • Complete sleep diary, which calculates sleep efficiency. Time asleep / Time in Bed as a percentage.
  • If I meet 85% sleep efficiency, I get to increase sleep time from 6 to 6.5 hours.

Week 3:
  • Discussed week and sleep diary
  • Met my 85%
  • Increased sleep to 6.5 hours, wake time now 6:30 AM
  • Still tired at night, less daytime drowsiness
  • Discussed breathing and calming exercises

Week 4:
  • Discussed week and sleep diary
  • Met my 85%
  • Increased sleep to 7 hours, wake time now 7:00 AM
  • Little to no daytime drowsiness
  • Never did any breathing and calming exercises

Week 5:
  • Final session
  • Discussed Week and sleep diary
  • Met my 85%
  • Increased sleep to 7.5 hours, wake time now 7:30 AM
  • Instructed to continue with sleep diary
  • Continue to increase sleep time if I meet 85% efficiency, but probably limit to 8 hours based on previous results. If my sleep efficiency drops below 80% reduce sleep again
  • Try to find my sweet spot for nightly sleep times.
  • Keep consistent bed and wake times
  • Don’t revert to bad sleep habits
  • If insomnia creeps back in, step up CBT-i practices again

Observations:
  • During the early stages I was very drowsy during the day and evening. Fell asleep in my chair twice, but only for a moment. This hasn’t happened since starting CPAP
  • Ease of falling asleep at night continuously improved, now I’m asleep in minutes
  • Nightly awakenings reduced from many to 1 (maybe 2)
  • Intensity of awakenings reduced dramatically, now when I awake, I’m asleep again in minutes.
  • Waking up refreshed with no daytime drowsiness
  • My AHI and CPAP therapy stayed consistent throughout the therapy.

Final Thoughts:

I consider it a success and believe CBT-i could benefit many suffering from insomnia. I also believe that there is no reason a similar program could be completed with a therapist and the cost. Though for me, an important part of consistently hitting the midnight-rise time targets was because of a sense of obligation instilled by my therapist. I never cheated and not sure I would have had the discipline had I done it on my own.


A Google Search can be used to find CBT-i support sites and tools should you wish to try it on your own.


Daily Sleep Diary:
  • I woke up at:
  • I got out of bed at:
  • At breakfast time, I felt (energy level):
  • I went to bed at:
  • I turned out the lights at:
  • Minutes to fall asleep after lights off:
  • After falling asleep, I woke up ___ times:
  • I got out of bed ___ times (for awakenings > 20 min):
  • Approximate total duration of all awakenings was (in minutes):
  • Overall, the quality of my sleep last night was:
  • I took ___ (number of) naps:
  • Approximate total duration of my naps was (in minutes):
  • My level of fatigue during the day was:
    • Number of servings of:
    • Alcohol:
    • Coffee:
    • Tea:
    • Cola:
    • Chocolate:
  • I took medication for sleep (Name/Dosage):
  • I practiced relaxation (Yes/No):
  • I used "Clear Your Head" time (Yes/No):
  • I completed a thought record (Yes/No):
The sleep efficiency is then calculated, some of the questions are presented via a 1-5 scale.

If anyone has any specific questions, feel free to ask.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by metsfan302 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:40 am

Wow, lots of great info there. Thank you for such a detailed post.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by HoseCrusher » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:52 pm

Excellent information. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by moonboots » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:38 pm

Great information, thanks for sharing

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by zonker » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:38 pm

thanks for the level of detail. didn't know insurance could cover part of this. if i go for this, will definitely check with my insurance first.

couple of questions-

no radio,tv or podcasts- in the bedroom at any time? my computer is in my bedroom. instead of watching tv at night, i use the computer as my tv. also, part of my routine when i'm in here typing right now is to stream music. is all of that verboten? oh, i'm off of the computer a full two hours before bed time, if that makes any difference.

the sleeping hours have to be cut to 6 then stretched back out? not sure i'm down with that, as the hip kids say.

could you define "late night bingeing"?

did you find that you had a shorter period of time between going to bed and lights out? my routine, since like forever, is that i'm in bed, reading, by 10 pm and lights out between 11:15 and 11:30.

i thought i had more questions but i guess that was it.

again, thanks for taking the time to post this.
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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by Dog Slobber » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:07 am

zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:38 pm
thanks for the level of detail. didn't know insurance could cover part of this. if i go for this, will definitely check with my insurance first.

couple of questions-

no radio,tv or podcasts- in the bedroom at any time? my computer is in my bedroom. instead of watching tv at night, i use the computer as my tv. also, part of my routine when i'm in here typing right now is to stream music. is all of that verboten? oh, i'm off of the computer a full two hours before bed time, if that makes any difference.
I think part of the process was to create a sleeping environment very distinct from a your up and awake environment. I do know she stressed not computer activity prior to bed and definitely no music radio while sleeping, only white noise.
the sleeping hours have to be cut to 6 then stretched back out? not sure i'm down with that, as the hip kids say.
Yes.

I hated it. One of the techniques used in CBT-i is to ensure you are fatigued the going to bed. When we are fatigued we are more likely to fall asleep and stay asleep. We then use this fatigued sleep time to create better sleep habits.

could you define "late night bingeing"?
Minimize eating and drinking.
did you find that you had a shorter period of time between going to bed and lights out? my routine, since like forever, is that i'm in bed, reading, by 10 pm and lights out between 11:15 and 11:30.
Yes. Remember bedtime is for sleeping. We need to disassociate activities in bed such as reading, watching tv, etc. Go to bed and lights out to sleep, if you can't sleep get up, go to another room to sleep.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:42 am

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:07 am
if you can't sleep get up, go to another room to sleep.
That's difficult if you have to unplug/carry/replug your CPAP to the other room. Maybe a backup CPAP that is ready and waiting in the other room?
zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:38 pm
podcasts- in the bedroom at any time
Upon going to bed, I turn on a podcast and set the timer to 22 minutes. Almost every night, I am asleep before the podcast times out. YMMV.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by Dog Slobber » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:25 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:42 am
Dog Slobber wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:07 am
if you can't sleep get up, go to another room to sleep.
That's difficult if you have to unplug/carry/replug your CPAP to the other room. Maybe a backup CPAP that is ready and waiting in the other room?
:)
Misspoke.

Should be: if you can't sleep, get up, go to another room then go back to bed.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by zonker » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:13 am

Dog Slobber wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:07 am

i realized after i hit quote, that i had nuthin' to quote! :lol:

just wanted to make sure this showed up in your notifications. thanks for going into further detail. i really appreciate it.
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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by zonker » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:14 am

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:42 am

zonker wrote:
Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:38 pm
podcasts- in the bedroom at any time
Upon going to bed, I turn on a podcast and set the timer to 22 minutes. Almost every night, I am asleep before the podcast times out. YMMV.
just as an aside, do you find that you remember the contents the next day?
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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by ChicagoGranny » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:59 pm

zonker wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:14 am
do you find that you remember the contents the next day?
I don't remember whether I remember.

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by zonker » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:12 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:59 pm
zonker wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:14 am
do you find that you remember the contents the next day?
I don't remember whether I remember.
bummer.
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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by Semyon » Sun May 31, 2020 2:28 pm

Great information! Thanks for sharing!

I am considering Somryst ( app version of SHUTi). It says on their site that it's "the first FDA market authorized Prescription Digital Therapeutic". It needs a prescription. I have an appointment with my sleep doctor to get it. Hopefully, it's covered by my insurance.
If somebody is interested, I came across a review of various online CBT-I programs.
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Post by babydinosnoreless » Sun May 31, 2020 5:53 pm

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Not for me but a good post. Glad it helped you. :D

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Re: CBT-i – Therapy for Insomnia

Post by slowriter » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:20 am

Very helpful post!

CBT-i is one of the features of the Dreem 2 headband I've yet to try; mostly because my sleep efficiency is pretty good (average these days is around 95%).

But I thought I'd mention it for those that might be interested. Disadvantage is you don't have a dedicated therapist (they use pre-recorded videos), and I'm not sure how easy it is to get insurance to pay for it. Advantage is it will track your sleep efficiency, sleep architecture, etc for you.

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