ResMed Airsense 10 for everyone vs. "For Her"

Troving the internet for the sake of interest... what are the fundamental differences between the ResMed Airsense 10 for everyone vs. "for her"?

I understand that there is a program specific to cater better to females (and even some males) but I wasn't clear on how the algorithm is different.

My Airsense 10 for everyone tends to wake me when the pressure jumps from around 10.2 when I'm starting to drift off to sleep and when I wake the machine goes from 13 -> 15.8 in a hurry. If I read what others have said about the "for her" version that the aggressive pressure increases are more gradual so as to no "rouse" one from their sleep.

Did I understand that correctly?

The only real difference between the 2 models (besides the leaves vs solid color but you can buy face plates if the leaves freak you out) is that the regular AutoSet has 2 modes
CPAP
Regular auto adjusting/apap

and the For Her model as the above 2 modes plus the
For Her auto adjusting apap mode....so 3 modes of operation in total.

I am using the for Her mode right now. I have also tried the regular mode...using identical settings in both modes.
I sleep fine with both modes and either one works well for me.
As far as it being "gentler transition"...I can't tell any difference but then wide pressure changes have never bothered me no matter which machine I might be using so I really can't say one way or another.

I look at it this way....it's better to have something and not need it than need it and not have it.
I have no idea if the way that special mode works will make any difference to you or or not but if the cost is the same for both models..why not get the For Her mode so you can at least try that special mode and see.

The manual explains what little I know about the actual algorithm
https://sleep.tnet.com/home/files/resme ... -guide.pdf
What has been more profound for me is the fact that the machine will increase the minimum pressure all on its own if I have 2 OAs within a minute. I assume to better prevent that from happening again and I see it often in my reports. I kinda like it. It will keep the new minimum until the machine is turned off for whatever reason and then it starts all over again.

My long term average for the last 11 months (that's how long I have had this machine and used the for Her mode after trying the regular mode for 3 days) AHI is 1.22. I sleep soundly for the most part unless I wake up from pain issues which is something the machine can't fix anyway....I feel decent. I am a happy camper.
Part of that AHI is probably related to centrals...I get a few SWJ centrals (not real) when I have nights where I wake often because of the pain. The AHI is always higher those nights but they aren't real centrals. I can tell most of the time by looking at the air flow and sometimes know because I might have woke up and turned the machine off for a little while and I see the centrals flagged right at a known awake time.

CPAPSteve wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:34 pm

Troving the internet for the sake of interest... what are the fundamental differences between the ResMed Airsense 10 for everyone vs. "for her"?

I understand that there is a program specific to cater better to females (and even some males) but I wasn't clear on how the algorithm is different.

As documented in the manual:

The AutoSet for Her is similar to ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm with the following modifications:
 Reduced rate of pressure increments designed to help prevent arousals.
 Slower pressure decays.
 Treats apneas up to 12 cm H 2 O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to 20 cm H 2 O.
 Minimum pressure (Min. Pressure) that adjusts according to the frequency of apneas:
If two apneas occur within a minute, the pressure reached in response to the second apnea will become the new minimum treatment pressure until the next treatment session.

CPAPSteve wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:34 pm

machine goes from 13 -> 15.8 in a hurry.

It doesn't. Pressure changes happen over the span of minutes.

"Treats apneas up to 12 cm H 2 O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to 20 cm H 2 O."

What does this mean? Is it good for apneas that require over 12cm H2O? My needed pressure is usually 13-14cm.

MurrayNevada wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:41 pm

"Treats apneas up to 12 cm H 2 O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to 20 cm H 2 O."

What does this mean? Is it good for apneas that require over 12cm H2O? My needed pressure is usually 13-14cm.

As far as I know, it means exactly what it says. It raise pressure above 12cm in response to apneas.

The standard Airsense 10 Autoset has a "Response" setting, options are Standard and Soft. I haven't tried this setting, and have no idea what it does for sure. It isn't documented in the clinical manual. Judging from the options, I'd assume that it slows down the machine's response to events. Which I don't think would work well for me. I think a big flow limitation needs a quick-ish response to be effective.

Not recommending it, just saying it's there.

djams wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:58 pm

The standard Airsense 10 Autoset has a "Response" setting, options are Standard and Soft. I haven't tried this setting, and have no idea what it does for sure. It isn't documented in the clinical manual. Judging from the options, I'd assume that it slows down the machine's response to events. Which I don't think would work well for me. I think a big flow limitation needs a quick-ish response to be effective.

Not recommending it, just saying it's there.

ResMed wrote:AutoSet Response™ mode

ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm now allows for additional customisation of therapy with the new AutoSet Response mode, which offers all the benefits of the enhanced AutoSet algorithm with gentler pressure increases for additional comfort.

For patients who are sensitive to faster changes in pressure during therapy, AutoSet Response can be set to either Standard or Soft. If set to Soft, patients will receive gentler pressure rises during therapy.

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:00 pm

djams wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:58 pm

The standard Airsense 10 Autoset has a "Response" setting, options are Standard and Soft. I haven't tried this setting, and have no idea what it does for sure. It isn't documented in the clinical manual. Judging from the options, I'd assume that it slows down the machine's response to events. Which I don't think would work well for me. I think a big flow limitation needs a quick-ish response to be effective.

Not recommending it, just saying it's there.

ResMed wrote:AutoSet Response™ mode

ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm now allows for additional customisation of therapy with the new AutoSet Response mode, which offers all the benefits of the enhanced AutoSet algorithm with gentler pressure increases for additional comfort.

For patients who are sensitive to faster changes in pressure during therapy, AutoSet Response can be set to either Standard or Soft. If set to Soft, patients will receive gentler pressure rises during therapy.

Thank you very much. (again).

You are a trove of information. The clinical guide that I've got isn't dated. Is the Response setting something in the newer firmware?

djams wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:11 pm

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:00 pm

djams wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:58 pm

The standard Airsense 10 Autoset has a "Response" setting, options are Standard and Soft. I haven't tried this setting, and have no idea what it does for sure. It isn't documented in the clinical manual. Judging from the options, I'd assume that it slows down the machine's response to events. Which I don't think would work well for me. I think a big flow limitation needs a quick-ish response to be effective.

Not recommending it, just saying it's there.

ResMed wrote:AutoSet Response™ mode

ResMed’s AutoSet algorithm now allows for additional customisation of therapy with the new AutoSet Response mode, which offers all the benefits of the enhanced AutoSet algorithm with gentler pressure increases for additional comfort.

For patients who are sensitive to faster changes in pressure during therapy, AutoSet Response can be set to either Standard or Soft. If set to Soft, patients will receive gentler pressure rises during therapy.

Thank you very much. (again).

You are a trove of information. The clinical guide that I've got isn't dated. Is the Response setting something in the newer firmware?

You're welcome.
The power of the right googling (Resmed Airsense Response standard regular}
Yeah, I believe it's an added feature.

Tip, remember to put your response after the last [/quote] so that the message doesn't look all messed up and your bit doesn't get lost.

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:14 pm

You're welcome.
The power of the right googling (Resmed Airsense Response standard regular}
Yeah, I believe it's an added feature.

Tip, remember to put your response after the last quote so that the message doesn't look all messed up and your bit doesn't get lost.

Yeah, I went back and fixed the botched tags.

And normally I'm a pretty fair googler myself, but for some reason in here I tend to lean on you as if I'm some helpless imbecile. Not sure I would've put that together though.

MurrayNevada wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 24, 2018 6:41 pm

"Treats apneas up to 12 cm H 2 O and continues to respond to flow limitation and snore up to 20 cm H 2 O."

What does this mean? Is it good for apneas that require over 12cm H2O? My needed pressure is usually 13-14cm.

It will still respond to OAs and hyponeas that occur when the pressure is above 12 WHEN there are also some FLs or snores happening also. I see it go to 16 to 18 often.
What it won't do is respond to some OAs when over 12 and you don't have anything else going on with them...which is rare but not impossible. I have seen 2 people who the for Her algorithm didn't increase as needed for what I assume is this reason.
It's rare though. Most of us if we have an OA or hyponea we are going to have something else go along with it when we are over 12 cm.

Below is a recent example..it went to almost 16 max. Probably responding to flow limitations mainly because the FL graph is a little more active than I usually see.

wow so many responses in such a short time frame.

Thanks everyone for educating me on this. I'm roughly 3 weeks into treatment and so far I've been 100% compliant and my AHI scores are low (0.8-1.7 typical). I just find it a bit annoying to be roused by pressure increases (or so it seems anyways) where I open my eyes and the pressure is maxed out at 16 whereas when i fell asleep that I know it hovers around 10.2-11. I can tolerate 16 without and issue once I am aware of what is going on but by then I'm awake. I thought perhaps the "for her" version might help with a more progressive pressure increase over a longer duration of time.