SoClean2 and damage to CPAP machine and gear?

Okay guys, so I did an unboxing and setup video of my SoClean 2 because of what I initially read at my sleep clinic/DME and conceptually it is a good idea and I even used it twice in my video I have on YouTube but after doing more thorough research that I'm wondering if it is as good as the manufacturer claims it to be.

I believe that ozone is a good way to really sanitize things but i have several concerns that make me want to not keep the SoClean 2.

1. It's bloody expensive.
2. Traditional cleaning methods still need to be employed b/c SoClean 2 only sanitizes.
3. I worry that ozone will yellow the silicone on my mask (Airfit F20).
4. SoClean has already stated that for my other mask that uses memory foam that I should not sanitizing (AirTouch F20) because I believe the memory foam will get ruined.
5. Controversial cleaning b/c the ozone required isn't at sufficiently strong levels to do any sanitizing (SoClean I believe claims the concentrations are 140PPM).
6. MOST importantly I don't want to have ozone ruin my brand spanking new ResMed CPAP machine. I just got diagnosed in early July so I'm only 3 weeks in on my new equipment.
7. I called ResMed today and they didn't say yay or nay to SoClean. They simply stated that they're currently testing SoClean 2 to determine efficiency and safety on their units. They said that they do not have a definitive answer as to when their testing will be complete.

I just purchased SoClean 2 from Amazon the other week so I have until mid September to return it. I want to keep it to use but not at the expense of shortening the life of m CPAP Equipment. I do not have any insurance to cover my supplies so anything I break is truly out of my own pocket.

Thoughts?

You won't find many so clean lovers here. It doesn't clean..it sanitizes. If you have to clean it before you sanitize it...what's the point. Buy a bottle of Dawn for $2.

Do you feel $298 Dollars cleaner. Jim

Try $400 cleaner... in Canada they're $399.99!

Being all new to the world of CPAP that I figured germ free is key but then I later put some additional thought into and asked myself "how on earth did people previously survive without ozone based sanitizers"?

It's all boxed back up ready to get shipped back but I figured I'd ask the folks here what their thoughts were.

Interesting to know that ResMed is doing their own independent testing.

CPAPSteve wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:52 pm

Okay guys, so I did an unboxing and setup video of my SoClean 2 because of what I initially read at my sleep clinic/DME and conceptually it is a good idea and I even used it twice in my video I have on YouTube but after doing more thorough research that I'm wondering if it is as good as the manufacturer claims it to be.

I believe that ozone is a good way to really sanitize things but i have several concerns that make me want to not keep the SoClean 2.

1. It's bloody expensive.
2. Traditional cleaning methods still need to be employed b/c SoClean 2 only sanitizes.
3. I worry that ozone will yellow the silicone on my mask (Airfit F20).
4. SoClean has already stated that for my other mask that uses memory foam that I should not sanitizing (AirTouch F20) because I believe the memory foam will get ruined.
5. Controversial cleaning b/c the ozone required isn't at sufficiently strong levels to do any sanitizing (SoClean I believe claims the concentrations are 140PPM).
6. MOST importantly I don't want to have ozone ruin my brand spanking new ResMed CPAP machine. I just got diagnosed in early July so I'm only 3 weeks in on my new equipment.
7. I called ResMed today and they didn't say yay or nay to SoClean. They simply stated that they're currently testing SoClean 2 to determine efficiency and safety on their units. They said that they do not have a definitive answer as to when their testing will be complete.

I just purchased SoClean 2 from Amazon the other week so I have until mid September to return it. I want to keep it to use but not at the expense of shortening the life of m CPAP Equipment. I do not have any insurance to cover my supplies so anything I break is truly out of my own pocket.

Thoughts?

Send it back, it's a farce...

It *cannot* do what they claim:
viewtopic/t157842/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1 ... 9#p1210375

And more important, the fearmongering they use to sell it is not supported by fact:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3716664/

Just a minute...

If you are concerned about CPAP germs, what about automobile germs?

You may be able to adapt the unit to sanitize your steering wheel and do so without having to take the steering wheel apart.

Just think, walk out to your car and be greeted by the lingering odor of ozone as you get in. Driving will be much more relaxing not having to deal with those pesky germs...

OK, just send it back.

@ hosecrusher... my car - ah yes... I'm a car guy so most of my cars are actually immaculately clean (but obviously not 100% germ free).

Thanks for all the feedback, time to send SoClean 2 back. Neat idea but the claims and the facts don't add up. Maybe one day when Philips or Resmed or the other big CPAP manufacturers endorse it then *maybe* I'd consider one but I'd rather pocket my $400+ bucks and spend some money on some Padacheek liners. The lines on my face are terrible!

CPAPSteve wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:41 pm

spend some money on some Padacheek liners.

Now, THAT'S an idea i whole heartedly endorse.

Karen, the owner, is a super nice lady, and unlike so many of the other people that prey upon cpap users (soclean, remzzzs, etc etc etc) she really wants, first and foremost, to help people... not just make a quick buck on their misery. She makes durable products that can be used over and over, not "oh, it's ONLY a dollar a day, buy more!"

I like her a lot, and will send people her way any chance I get.

CPAPSteve wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:41 pm

spend some money on some Padacheek liners. The lines on my face are terrible!

And I also whole heartedly endorse this idea. Some of the best money I have ever spent on cpap stuff was with some of her comfort products.
The side strap covers for one...invaluable because I get horrible marks from the straps of any kind. I am one of those people who get a scar on my cheek from just a wrinkle in the pillow case.

Some things are overrated but in the context of this machine I believe it is over criticized. SoClean is not a panacea but I think is a helpful tool. The problem with it is when CPAP users think it will totally replace any need to clean equipment. That would be like sweeping the floor and never mopping it. (or vice versa)

I've been a SoClean user for about 3 years now. I generally avoid things that I think are 'overmarketed'. Also, my wife and I were very hesitant to spend the money but after a recent bout I had with pneumonia we decided to splurge. All I can say is that before I started using it I got bronchitis and/or pneumonia once or even twice a year and since using SoClean I have had no bronchitis or pneumonia. The only time as a 15+ year CPAP user this has not happened was during the 3 years I have used this product. How I cleaned my mask and hose other than the SoClean has remained the same. Does this mean that SoClean can take credit for my not getting sick?- no but I think it at least has helped.

What would really be helpful is some real clinical data. (perhaps it already exists?) This would help would be customers like you to make a more informed decision than relying on forum feedback and anecdotal information like mine above. the only time I would ever pay attention to a negative or positive comment about things like this is that the person making the comment says they have used this product over some period of time. Even then, that would be one person's opinion and observation.

The only negative things about the SoClean I've observed are this. If you have a 'performance' hose (one that is designed to be overly flexible) the SoClean lid can eventually cause the part of the hose it clamps on to separate the inner and outer hose. It is easy to miss and you will have to watch for this as it can effect air pressure performance. Secondly, the SoClean sanitizes but doesn't clean away anything that is sticking to your hose or mask. At the very minimum use the CPAP wipes (you get for free from CPAP.com with orders) to wipe your mask. Better yet, do a weekly washing. This will get the oils from your skin, cosmetic residue, etc. off your mask and hose. Optimally, Wash your equipment as if you don't have a SoClean and use the SoClean as extra insurance that the bad stuff is not getting into your lungs when you sleep.

I love my So Clen been using it for almost 2 years. I don’t have to clean anything now. My husband has very oily skin so I have to wipe off his mask once a week where it has forehead pads. I was having troubles keeping the water reservoir clean and it would get a pink bacteria growing in it. The bottle brush would not teach each part. Since I started using the So Clean I no longer have this problem. I took the reservoir in to my technician to see if it needed replaced. He said it was one of the cleanest he has seen to keep using it. I no longer fight sinus infections since I purchased it. I have a machine that is made to rid a house of mildew, bacteria’s, mold, pollen and bad odors. This machine is used by professionals home cleaners and it works in the same way as mySo Clean. Several of my family and friends own one and love how it works. I will purchase another one if this one ever breaks.

Is your husband a child that you clean his (very personal) mask for him? Ugh!

Julie wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:23 pm

Is your husband a child that you clean his (very personal) mask for him? Ugh!

Why not? When I clean my mask every Monday morning, I also clean my wife's mask at the same time. I mix up one bowl of soapy water and clean everything while she is doing something else around the house.

So many paid endorsements popping up. :sigh:

The thing of it is that since the mendaciously named "SoClean2" doesn't actually clean anything then even reports by happy users have little to no weight, because the evidence of whether SoClean working as claimed is literally nothing, well, except for the lingering smell of poison gas and damage to one's CPAP gear. We know that works.

Unless users are doing before and after swabs and cultures, they have no idea if this is working. They might as well invest in tiger-repelling amulets and then all post here about how great the amulets they work because they've never been attacked at home by tigers.