Wireless modem for compliance only?

Hey folks, there is a PR S1 CPAP for sale with a wireless modem. The seller says the modem alone cost $250. I assume the wireless modem is meant for compliance. And, since compliance is not necessary for me, there's not much value in it. Would the modem be of value to any private buyer if I attempted to resell the modem? Or, should I presume that any other private buyer won't need to worry about compliance either.

From this http://www.healthcare.philips.com/main/ ... ep/modems/, it doesn't appear that the modem could transmit data for view on a home computer...

There is no value in that modem at all.
If the seller is trying to jack up the price for the modem...try to get the machine without the modem at a reduced price and let him find out that it has no resale value.
It's compliance only and only transmits data to a website that only doctors or DMEs can access. It has zero value or use to the patient.

Thanks again, Pugsy!

Yup...and even less value than a good paperweight, in most markets.

MIght be fun for a hacker to see what data is transmitting.

After all if we are up in the middle of the night, might as well be productive.

GEEK STUFF: Other night started to think of a designs to sniff the SD card and resend it to the cloud during the night, toss in most recent WolfSSL (POODLE fixed) and
that way I can review later on the road.

The good news is the modem unplugs and can be left with the seller. How much is he asking? Pretty common to see used machines over priced because of what the original owner's insurance was charged by a DME.

Sleeprider wrote:The good news is the modem unplugs and can be left with the seller. How much is he asking? Pretty common to see used machines over priced because of what the original owner's insurance was charged by a DME.

It doesn't matter what the DME charges the insurance...they only get paid the amount that was contracted...usually about 75% of retail.

I would think prices through private parties are likely sky high due to them looking places online who sell these, or the IMPLIED cost through a DME...then they think, "Hey, I got a GOLDMINE sitting here in this S8! I only used it a couple weeks, I bet I could get $500 for it, EASY!!"

I think we need to watch the terminology here, but the wireless modem is of no use to you unless you're working with a DME who will pay the charges to connect the modem to the cell phone network and the servers that collect the data.

I believe the modem does transmit more than "compliance" data, for instance, nightly AHI numbers, but it's much less than the SD card gives.

Be sure the machine you're looking at is a fully data capable machine. If you want the heated hose, be sure it's a 60 series, and has the heated hose version of the humidifier and power supply.

It seems to me since the modems are for the DME - INS - DR benefit for documenting compliance use and AHI, a better way of paying for them and not having them so disposable would be with a deposit. And then after a period of time, when compliance is proved, to be able to return them to the DME with some reimbursement. I know that's a dream world but otherwise it seems to be a big waste.

If you can find the same machine on Secondwind.com, you can compare prices with the machine the guy is selling.
His price should never be more than 50% of the secondwind price. The modem is worthless-maybe five bucks for parts.

OkyDoky wrote:It seems to me since the modems are for the DME - INS - DR benefit for documenting compliance use and AHI, a better way of paying for them and not having them so disposable would be with a deposit. And then after a period of time, when compliance is proved, to be able to return them to the DME with some reimbursement. I know that's a dream world but otherwise it seems to be a big waste.

If you had a good doctor, even the limited data the wireless collects would be very useful. If the AHI is low, it gives the doctor a quick indication that things are good in general. If the AHI is high, it would clue him in to get the SD card and analyze it, or at least make some adjustments. The sleep/wake times is also useful data.

Most patients could probably be managed pretty well with just the wireless data, and you could find most of the "failures" of the system easily and then pull in the SD card for further study.

TexasTom wrote:GEEK STUFF: Other night started to think of a designs to sniff the SD card and resend it to the cloud during the night, toss in most recent WolfSSL (POODLE fixed) and
that way I can review later on the road.

check out this, done by one of our fine forum members: http://www.sleepmaster.org/

OkyDoky wrote:It seems to me since the modems are for the DME - INS - DR benefit for documenting compliance use and AHI, a better way of paying for them and not having them so disposable would be with a deposit. And then after a period of time, when compliance is proved, to be able to return them to the DME with some reimbursement. I know that's a dream world but otherwise it seems to be a big waste.

I HAVE to return my modem to the DME after three months, when presumably they get paid by my insurer. And my doctor wants to see...my Sleepyhead data!

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