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digitalepiphany wrote:I've tried both hybrids (for a few weeks each), and those are no-gos.

digitalepiphany wrote: I have used the Innomed Hybrid. It has a chin support. I got a great seal with its mouth cushion, and my mouth stayed closed. No pissing in the wind here. A chin support, or that one at the very least, prevented my jaw from dropping and maintained a great seal.

Why confused face?

digitalepiphany wrote: One of the reasons I asked about FFMs with chin support is because it's hard for me to find them on my own. As an example, I went to cpap.com to look for some. On the left-hand side is a box that allows you to sort masks by specific options. "Chin support" is not one of them. I went through a few pages, looking at the masks one-by-one, until I got fed up with that method. I figured it'd be far easier to just ask here. Only 4 have been mentioned so far (other than the Hans Rudolph I mentioned). I even just went back and re-read all the posts. So, here are the 4 mentioned thus far:

1. Respironics FullLife - I was told this has chin support. Looking at pictures on cpap.com, I see no chin support. Is that an extra piece that can be added/removed?
2. F&P FlexiFit HC432 - This one appears to seal below the chin, as opposed to having an actual chin support. I'm not pointing that out to say that it won't work, just that it's not a true chin support. I'm afraid I'd have to over-tighten it to keep it sealed. Still on my list though.
3. F&P Forma - Same thing as the FlexFit. In fact, it looks almost exactly the same, with just slight differences. Is the FlexFit just an updated Forma?
4. Hans Rudolph 7600 V2 - This is the only one mentioned so far that has an actual chin support. As far as I can remember, only one person has mentioned using it.

Are there any other FFMs with chin support that I can add to the list?

There is a chin strap on the Respironics Full Life mask. My hubby finds it helpful. To clarify, I quote from the CPAP.com page:

Chin Support Band. The band ensures a secure fit and provides added stability without a forehead support arm

This mask does not have forehead support, so they added the Chin Support Band. I don't think its only purpose is as chin support, but it does not say 'not used as a chin strap' so I really cannot say it is or is not a true chin support. In my hubby's case, the support from that chin support band DOES make a difference FOR HIM.

digitalepiphany wrote:Why confused face?

Because Uncle_Bob can't make heads nor tails out of two directly contradictory things you've said in previous posts:

digitalepiphany wrote:I've tried both hybrids (for a few weeks each), and those are no-gos.

digitalepiphany wrote: I have used the Innomed Hybrid. It has a chin support. I got a great seal with its mouth cushion, and my mouth stayed closed. No pissing in the wind here. A chin support, or that one at the very least, prevented my jaw from dropping and maintained a great seal.

And quite frankly, I'm confused too:
If the Innomed Hybrid has the chin support you want and need and you get a "great seal" with it and your mouth stays closed when you use it, then why is it a "no-go"????

If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that the problems I had with the Innomed Hybrid were with the pillows, not the mouth cushion. I said it very specifically. I also said that the pillows on the Resmed Liberty were great, but the mouth cushion wouldn't seal properly. I also said that if I could somehow combine the two, then I'd have the perfect mask.

There's no contradictory information coming from me, whatsoever. The only thing that's happening is that other people aren't paying attention. Now, if we had all stayed on topic like I wanted, none of this would be happening. Also, the not paying attention part doesn't even bother me. What does bother me is when people accuse me of being contradictory, lying, etc. when the problem is that they haven't been paying attention. Don't pay attention. I don't really care one way or the other. I do care, however, if you try piping in after not having paid attention. I definitely am being a complete dick here, and I feel justified doing so. Please don't accuse me of anything without making damn sure you've actually read what I've written.

So, I'll say it again. The Innomed Hybrid sealed great on the mouth cushion. The pillows did not. That is why it was a no-go.

jencat824 wrote:

digitalepiphany wrote: One of the reasons I asked about FFMs with chin support is because it's hard for me to find them on my own. As an example, I went to cpap.com to look for some. On the left-hand side is a box that allows you to sort masks by specific options. "Chin support" is not one of them. I went through a few pages, looking at the masks one-by-one, until I got fed up with that method. I figured it'd be far easier to just ask here. Only 4 have been mentioned so far (other than the Hans Rudolph I mentioned). I even just went back and re-read all the posts. So, here are the 4 mentioned thus far:

1. Respironics FullLife - I was told this has chin support. Looking at pictures on cpap.com, I see no chin support. Is that an extra piece that can be added/removed?
2. F&P FlexiFit HC432 - This one appears to seal below the chin, as opposed to having an actual chin support. I'm not pointing that out to say that it won't work, just that it's not a true chin support. I'm afraid I'd have to over-tighten it to keep it sealed. Still on my list though.
3. F&P Forma - Same thing as the FlexFit. In fact, it looks almost exactly the same, with just slight differences. Is the FlexFit just an updated Forma?
4. Hans Rudolph 7600 V2 - This is the only one mentioned so far that has an actual chin support. As far as I can remember, only one person has mentioned using it.

Are there any other FFMs with chin support that I can add to the list?

There is a chin strap on the Respironics Full Life mask. My hubby finds it helpful. To clarify, I quote from the CPAP.com page:

Chin Support Band. The band ensures a secure fit and provides added stability without a forehead support arm

This mask does not have forehead support, so they added the Chin Support Band. I don't think its only purpose is as chin support, but it does not say 'not used as a chin strap' so I really cannot say it is or is not a true chin support. In my hubby's case, the support from that chin support band DOES make a difference FOR HIM.

Thanks for the info. I'll look into a bit more. I've only looked at the pics so far.