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There has been study done in a nordic county where Fibromyalgia is related to sleep deprivation. Here in the US, we only do medical studies to make someone money.

I've had fibromyalgia for thirty years and chronic fatigue syndrome for about the last ten years. I have no idea how long I've had severe OSA. There have been lots of theories about the cause(s) of FMS over the years, and generally they get debunked sooner or later. I do know that sleeping with a CPAP has helped. It took a year before I felt a significant improvement in the duration of my sleep, how refreshed I felt, how alert I became. I've been using my CPAP for about 3 1/2 years now. My CFS is almost resolved (with rare flare-ups) and the FMS is improved.

I found Savella to be the most effective drug, alleviating both FMS symptoms and depression, but I can't afford it. (Lyrica and Cymbalta didn't do a thing for me.) When CFS was bad, I took Nuvigil, but not any more. All I'm taking now are Lunesta at bedtime and Welbutrin XR for depression. Oh, and Vicodin for pain, PRN.

All I know is that my sleep problems started as middle of the night awakenings and middle of the night headaches. About the same time I started having pain while sleeping and pain upon awakening. I am convinced that in my case, the sleep disordered breathing and the Fibro are related and since no one knows what causes Fibro, sleep disordered breathing could be the cause....at least in my case. I also work with college students with ADD and have seen research that shows a large percentage of people with ADD have sleep apnea. I really doubt many 20 year olds and kids are getting sleep studies to rule out sleep disorders as a factor or cause of their ADD symptoms. ADHD may be a whole different thing.

I have been fortunate and found that CPAP, magnesium, vitamin D and TENS therapy for my back take care on most of my symptoms. I do take a Gaba agonist for muscle spasm related pain.

My apnea was diagnosed as a result of severe muscle pain.

Fibro? Dunno. All I know is that last summer, when I was without my machine for a week because of Hurricane Isaac, I was in so much pain I could not stand.

Just checking in. don't have any answer except both Fibro and sleep apnea are thought to be neurological in causation. So there could be some connection. certainly there are a high percentage of people with sleep apnea that have fibro and visa versa. I am afflicted with both also.

bbridge_GA wrote:I also work with college students with ADD and have seen research that shows a large percentage of people with ADD have sleep apnea.

I'd like to see that research.

SleepingUgly wrote:
I'd like to see that research.

Have you ever heard of Google?

https://www.google.com/search?q=add+and ... =firefox-a

Christine L wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:
I'd like to see that research.

Have you ever heard of Google?

https://www.google.com/search?q=add+and ... =firefox-a

Yes, I've heard of Google. Now you can point me toward research that says that

a large percentage of people with ADD have sleep apnea.

AND, obviously, to be a large percentage, it would have to be (1) large and (2) largER than is seen in non-ADHD populations.

Christine L wrote:Have you ever heard of Google?

The person can ask to be shown the data. Just as the original commentor can decline and tell asker to do his/her own homework. Of course, that might lessen the credibility of the statement, but, hey, this isn't a classroom or lab.

SleepingUgly wrote:

a large percentage of people with ADD have sleep apnea.

AND, obviously, to be a large percentage, it would have to be (1) large and (2) largER than is seen in non-ADHD populations.

Technically, there is no claim that the percentage is larger than the non-ADD population. And "large" being a subjective "measurement" could mean almost anything.

sparkles wrote:

Christine L wrote:Have you ever heard of Google?

The person can ask to be shown the data.

Thank you.

Just as the original commentor can decline and tell asker to do his/her own homework. Of course, that might lessen the credibility of the statement, but, hey, this isn't a classroom or lab.

I have done my homework and I have seen no evidence that there is a "large" percentage of overlap between sleep apnea and ADHD. There are some cases of children appearing to have ADHD who turn out to have apnea; however, it's not a "large" percentage and it tends to manifest as more mild ADHD. Hence, if there is some evidence that I haven't seen, despite having researched this personally, I would like to be pointed to it specifically, if the OP can recall where he saw it.

Now if the OP were to say that a large proportion of kids with ADHD have PLMS, I would agree with that.

Technically, there is no claim that the percentage is larger than the non-ADD population.

It's implicit in the word "large". If it's not larger than in other populations, it is not noteworthy. It's like saying, "There's a large percentage of people with apnea who are overweight. The percentage is the same (or less!) than in the general population." Huh?!

But thanks for standing up for me against "Christine L", who has a pattern of responding in that manner when responding to my posts.

"Large" is in the eye of the beholder. If 10% of ADHD cases are caused by sleep apnea I would definitely call that "large" and those 10% should be treated for sleep apnea.

I can't imagine that a person with moderate or severe sleep apnea does not have mental functioning difficulty and emotional difficulty.

There are plenty of kids with sleep apnea and their parents and their doctors are unaware.

cereal killer wrote:I can't imagine that a person with moderate or severe sleep apnea does not have mental functioning difficulty and emotional difficulty.

Amazingly, there ARE people with even severe sleep apnea who have no daytime symptoms. But in those with OSA who have ADHD-like symptoms, I would argue that those symptoms are not "true" ADHD unless proven so. Lots of things can cause attentional difficulties, requiring differential diagnosis (i.e., ADHD vs. other disorders that can also cause these problems).

I don't have CFS, but given that I have chronic fatigue, even though I use a BiPAP (and before that a CPAP), I have incorporated some of the advice / treatment ideas from Jacob Teitelbaum's book "From Fatigued to Fantastic". I intend to look to see if I have chemical insufficiencies, although I don't know where to look for such testing.

I still believe that ticks, bacteria and viruses is behind many diseases.

http://www.envita.com/lyme-disease/fina ... me-disease