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Quietmorning, sorry. I forgot suggesting you to test your C-peptide level if you are not taking any meds to increase insulin output of your own, of course, if you have not done it already.

I just bought a glass digital scale today at Costco. It shows I lost 11 lbs The last time I was weighed was at a doctors visit 2 months ago. That was to get an RX for my cpap. I did the very minimal so I could try to get better cpap results. Just ate better, cut out the junk food, chips, sweets and no more snacking at night. I also take a walk around my office building once in the afternoon, 15 mins. Now I'm at normal BMI rates. I was 10lbs overweight.

I need to weigh myself on a second device to see if I didn't get a defective scale But my face does look more slimmer than a few months ago.

My diet = stop eating bad foods. That simple.



November 2012

By the way, what is your height?

5'6"

They had my height wrong so I didn't include it.

cosmo wrote:I just bought a glass digital scale today at Costco. It shows I lost 11 lbs The last time I was weighed was at a doctors visit 2 months ago. That was to get an RX for my cpap. I did the very minimal so I could try to get better cpap results. Just ate better, cut out the junk food, chips, sweets and no more snacking at night. I also take a walk around my office building once in the afternoon, 15 mins. Now I'm at normal BMI rates. I was 10lbs overweight.

I need to weigh myself on a second device to see if I didn't get a defective scale But my face does look more slimmer than a few months ago.

My diet = stop eating bad foods. That simple.



November 2012

Cosmo,

While I congratulate you on your weight loss, again, I want to remind you that just because something is easy for you doesn't mean it is going to be easy for another person.

Also, people can eat the "perfect" diet and still have trouble losing weight, particularly if they are on meds that mess up metabolism like psych meds. An example is my 30 pound weight gain when I was on Prozac which was extremely terrifying since it seemed it was never going to end. Once I discontinued the drug, I lost weight without any effort whatsoever. Sadly, in what I feel is a very judgmental society, people thought I had this awesome discipline and willpower that resulted in this weight loss when nothing of the kind occurred.

On an apnea related note, many people have found that until their apnea was fully responsive to treatment, losing weight was impossible for them. I know from personal experience that when I had great nights on the machine which unfortunately have been quite rare, I found it very easy to stay away from junk food.

But degraded sleep has given me horrible food cravings. It is a challenge I will have to deal with and I will.

Anyway, this is a great thread and I have learned alot.

49er

Paleolithic

cosmo: Just ate better, cut out the junk food, chips, sweets and no more snacking at night. I also take a walk around my office building once in the afternoon, 15 mins. Now I'm at normal BMI rates. I was 10lbs overweight.

Glad to see someone on the forum posting about moderation. Otherwise there is way too much extremism here with advice about eating no grains, dropping the carbs down to nothing, eating saturated fats, never going to restaurants, blech.

Good job Cosmo! (Although I hope you can break your addiction to buying gadgets.)

Wow. . .I never got notified that there were more posts here . . . I'll be back later today to read what everyone has written.

Sorry about that!! You aren't being ignored - wonderful info here - just had no clue anyone else had posted.

So, the experiences and the views in this thread seem to attenuate to a point that indicates toward making your lifestyle as simple as possible. Is that possible particularly when one, as a typical apneic, has all the disturbed physiological attributes that take quite some time to stabilize even after successful therapy (maintaining AHI as low as possible and definitely around 1.0). However, the good news is the food craving, in general and, more so, for certain unhealthy foods, gradually dwindles once the AHI returns to the sweet ground level. I have also experienced this.
As a member of this forum of so many unselfish veterans who spare their valuable time and effort for others, I keep my antenna in 'learning mode'. (I know others do the same). So, every one knows 'good' and 'bad' of a food. Every one can select their healthy foods and drinks. The crux of the matter is whether I have brought my physiology as close to nature as possible by improving my sleep parameters and avoiding (or decreasing as much as possible) the meds as my first step.
By the way, Cosmo, your pulse rate looks a bit high. What is the level of your visceral fat?

What I've tried to do is eliminate all "processed" food, grains, and high starch vegetables such as white potatoes and corn. I try not to eat anything that comes in a box, bottle, or can unless it meets my definition of minimally processed, which then would expand my choices to some canned and frozen food.
The result is kind of an amalgam of Paleo, Low Carb, Atkins, etc. without really being any of those. It's quite easy to follow. Just shop the outside of isles of the grocery store. On this "diet", I have lost 25 lbs in about a year and my triglycerides have dropped from around 200 to less than 100. I feel OK, no miracle cures or anything, but I think the drop in TG alone justifies this approach.

J

Jay Aitchsee wrote:What I've tried to do is eliminate all "processed" food, grains, and high starch vegetables such as white potatoes and corn. I try not to eat anything that comes in a box, bottle, or can unless it meets my definition of minimally processed, which then would expand my choices to some canned and frozen food.
The result is kind of an amalgam of Paleo, Low Carb, Atkins, etc. without really being any of those. It's quite easy to follow. Just shop the outside of isles of the grocery store. On this "diet", I have lost 25 lbs in about a year and my triglycerides have dropped from around 200 to less than 100. I feel OK, no miracle cures or anything, but I think the drop in TG alone justifies this approach.

J

Thumbs up. You've got it down simple. Just eat real food.


JeffH

Christine L wrote:

cosmo: Just ate better, cut out the junk food, chips, sweets and no more snacking at night. I also take a walk around my office building once in the afternoon, 15 mins. Now I'm at normal BMI rates. I was 10lbs overweight.

Glad to see someone on the forum posting about moderation. Otherwise there is way too much extremism here with advice about eating no grains, dropping the carbs down to nothing, eating saturated fats, never going to restaurants, blech.

Good job Cosmo! (Although I hope you can break your addiction to buying gadgets.)

It's not about moderate vs extremism ... it's about a toxic diet vs a healthy diet.

Most people are ignorant of their human history. Anatomically modern humans have existed on this planet for about 200,000 years. Only about 5, 000 to 10,000 years ago during the Neolithic did a few of them begin to consume grains (ie. carbs), and yet the vast majority of humans remained hunter gatherers until just a few hundred years ago. So for 95% to 99% of modern human existence, we have eaten a hunter gatherer type diet, or a diet of fresh meats and vegetables, the diet of our genotype, and hardly "extreme".

But even for most of that Neolithic period, 99% of that time, the human diet did not have the "extreme" high concentrations of carbs from grains we have today ... what most have been fooled into believing is "moderate" is actually toxic. The "extreme" toxic food-like substances most people think is a "moderate" diet today has only existed during the past 50 to 60 years ... correlating with the sharp rise in all man-made diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, obesity, and an endless list of others. Diseases that first began to appear in humans during the late Neolithic and in the later stages of old age and are now beginning to appear in younger and younger people.

Sure, I ate my share of that "moderate" poison in my youth without any seemingly ill effects back in the days before GMO and HFCS. However, we are generally more resilient to environmental toxins during our youth, a genetic feature of all organisms that allows them to live long enough to reproduce -- this genetic feature is called antagonistic pleiotropy. What that means is that as we age, we lose our resiliency to environmental toxins and we must return to our human ancestral paleolithic diet in order to maintain any semblance of health and mitigate the degenerative diseases of aging.

Anyway, I don't think anyone here is going to take away your whole wheat bread or Big Mac, you can have your cake and eat it too. Feel free to have my share of Big Agra's toxic gluten, GMO, HFCS, well preserved Big Macs and Twinkies and age as fast and unhealthy as you want,

I'm sticking with my genetically intended paleolithic diet.

I've lost 60 lbs so far and feel 1000 % better but I won't share how in this thread since its too extreme for Christine to contemplate. I will say that "moderation" got me 100 lbs overweight in the first place.

You can play all the games you want, get yourself in alignment with the great cosmic spirit, wear magic crystals, eat the latest fad diet, or do whatever else you want, but in the end, it's mainly about the number of calories you eat.

Carbohydrates tend to be bad because you digest them quickly and you're hungry again soon. Proteins or fats are better in some ways because they kill off your hunger for a longer time.

300 calories of meat will kill your hunger for longer than 300 calories of fruit. You'll tend to eat more calories on a high carb diet than on a low carb diet.

If you eat more calories on a low carb diet, you'll gain weight just like you will on a high carb diet.

There are a lot of minor effects of one food vs. another, but by and large, it's how many calories you eat.

If you eat fewer calories on one food, or one diet, or one weight management group session plan, you'll lose more weight vs. one where you eat more calories.

Atkins worked well for me when I actually did it. I lost quite a few pounds without a lot of effort but went back to bad food later. I didn't have to be hungry, but I did really crave some high carb foods like apples. Lots of people have the wrong idea about Atkins. It's not an all bacon and steak diet.

cosmo wrote:

JeffH wrote:We were not designed to eat grains.

Probably makes sense since we can't digest corn but we still eat it.

Our body processes corn just fine and quickly turns it into glucose. If you need carbohydrates/calories, corn is a pretty good source. That's why corn tends to be fattening if overconsumed.

Corn may be considered "empty calories" because it's lacking in a lot of essential nutrients and is mostly carbohydrates. If you eat nothing but corn, you'll get pellagra, a vitamin B3 deficiency disease, but it only takes a very small amount of B3 rich foods to prevent it.

There's nothing wrong with corn if you don't get too many calories overall and eat enough other foods that contain the other nutrients you need.

The same can be said for most grains. They're not actively harmful, but you get hungry more quickly after a big grain meal, and you won't get all the nutrients you need without a balance of other foods.