Re: Tired of being tired
Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:26 pm
Couple of things come to mind when I see your reports.
Leak line is obvious...kinda ugly for parts of the night and for other parts of the night while technically under the 24 L/min red line, it is still pretty ragged and points to lots of leaks even though not all go into large leak territory.
The other thing is the rather short hours of sleep on the reports.
Even under optimal conditions (minimal leaks etc) short hours of sleep is going to impact how a person feels the next day. I personally think that a person likely needs at least 7 hours of good quality sleep to have a decent chance of feeling better the next day. I know some people feel great with less but I think most people will see a deterioration of how they feel with less than 6 hours of sleep.
You can see the yellow "unknown" events during large leak...so the machine is sensing the events but doesn't know what to call them and a couple of large leak times with nothing showing which might be from the leak being so large that the machine can't even sense an event. Times with that much of a leak are relatively short lived though so I don't think that the entire AHI numbers are totally off because of the machine maybe not even recording an event. If it is missing a few...it isn't a truck load.
Your leak line is pretty ragged. Do you find yourself waking often during the night for any reason...leak or whatever? How many hours of sleep is the machine showing as an overall nightly average? Is it closer to your stated 7 in that 5 to 7 hours you say or is it closer to the 5?
Fragmented sleep for any reason will sure end up with us feeling pretty yucky the next day...even with 7 or 8 hours of sleep.
If it isn't good quality sleep then no amount of hours will fix it.
If your reports were my reports...first thing would be to try to reduce the leak line raggedness and get more time under the red line. That amount of ragged leak line would most likely be waking me up and thus disturbing sleep quality.
Masks and leaks are the hardest part of this therapy.
So leak line needs to be improved upon and also hours of sleep needs to be improved upon but you gotta have good quality hours of sleep first.
My personal thoughts...your leak is likely impacting sleep quality and maybe causing fragmented sleep...and that along with short hours of sleep on the machine is probably a strong suspect for feeling yucky during the day. It probably isn't the sole reason but likely a good portion. While the AHI is probably technically under 5...it all goes back to what we say when we say "numbers aren't everything" and a nice low AHI doesn't guarantee anything. Heck, even a nice 0.0 AHI and a nice 0.0 leak and 8 hours of totally uninterrupted sleep doesn't guarantee anything either but we have to start somewhere and try to improve things.
FWIW...when I first started therapy and got my AHI well under control and my leak line was near perfect...I still felt like crap because I was waking up 20 to 30 times a night...not from sleep apnea stuff though...it was from pain. Once we figured out something to help with the back pain every time I moved in bed then I started feeling better during the day. It wasn't perfect but it was better.
So you get the standard speech we give when someone has a good AHI but still feels like crap...optimize your therapy first and that includes getting the leaks under control...and includes getting more hours of "good" sleep...then you get to work on the other possible causes of feeling like crap during the day and the list of possible culprits for that is quite long. Work on what is obvious first and then start the other detective work...meds, general health, bed comfort, hours of sleep, fragmented sleep, etc, etc.
Leak line is obvious...kinda ugly for parts of the night and for other parts of the night while technically under the 24 L/min red line, it is still pretty ragged and points to lots of leaks even though not all go into large leak territory.
The other thing is the rather short hours of sleep on the reports.
Even under optimal conditions (minimal leaks etc) short hours of sleep is going to impact how a person feels the next day. I personally think that a person likely needs at least 7 hours of good quality sleep to have a decent chance of feeling better the next day. I know some people feel great with less but I think most people will see a deterioration of how they feel with less than 6 hours of sleep.
You can see the yellow "unknown" events during large leak...so the machine is sensing the events but doesn't know what to call them and a couple of large leak times with nothing showing which might be from the leak being so large that the machine can't even sense an event. Times with that much of a leak are relatively short lived though so I don't think that the entire AHI numbers are totally off because of the machine maybe not even recording an event. If it is missing a few...it isn't a truck load.
Your leak line is pretty ragged. Do you find yourself waking often during the night for any reason...leak or whatever? How many hours of sleep is the machine showing as an overall nightly average? Is it closer to your stated 7 in that 5 to 7 hours you say or is it closer to the 5?
Fragmented sleep for any reason will sure end up with us feeling pretty yucky the next day...even with 7 or 8 hours of sleep.
If it isn't good quality sleep then no amount of hours will fix it.
If your reports were my reports...first thing would be to try to reduce the leak line raggedness and get more time under the red line. That amount of ragged leak line would most likely be waking me up and thus disturbing sleep quality.
Masks and leaks are the hardest part of this therapy.
So leak line needs to be improved upon and also hours of sleep needs to be improved upon but you gotta have good quality hours of sleep first.
My personal thoughts...your leak is likely impacting sleep quality and maybe causing fragmented sleep...and that along with short hours of sleep on the machine is probably a strong suspect for feeling yucky during the day. It probably isn't the sole reason but likely a good portion. While the AHI is probably technically under 5...it all goes back to what we say when we say "numbers aren't everything" and a nice low AHI doesn't guarantee anything. Heck, even a nice 0.0 AHI and a nice 0.0 leak and 8 hours of totally uninterrupted sleep doesn't guarantee anything either but we have to start somewhere and try to improve things.
FWIW...when I first started therapy and got my AHI well under control and my leak line was near perfect...I still felt like crap because I was waking up 20 to 30 times a night...not from sleep apnea stuff though...it was from pain. Once we figured out something to help with the back pain every time I moved in bed then I started feeling better during the day. It wasn't perfect but it was better.
So you get the standard speech we give when someone has a good AHI but still feels like crap...optimize your therapy first and that includes getting the leaks under control...and includes getting more hours of "good" sleep...then you get to work on the other possible causes of feeling like crap during the day and the list of possible culprits for that is quite long. Work on what is obvious first and then start the other detective work...meds, general health, bed comfort, hours of sleep, fragmented sleep, etc, etc.