CPAPtalk.com

To me, it is obvious that all they care about is making money,
any way possible--and to hell with the consequences.

NEMarvin wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:49 pm

Not an advocate of the SoClean by any means, and certainly am not paid for it, but came to this site among other things to find out more about people's experience. For those who say that it is a total waste, what do you make of the research posted on their site:

https://www.soclean.com/wp-content/uplo ... ct2017.pdf

Also, pimper for socrap...

I seem to remember that not all that long ago, cigarette companies were pumping out lots of "studies" and "research" that said that smoking was GOOD FOR YOU.

Plus, I kinda doubt socrap is going to push any "studies" that point out the uselessness of their moneypit.

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:12 pm

NEMarvin wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:49 pm

Not an advocate of the SoClean by any means, and certainly am not paid for it, but came to this site among other things to find out more about people's experience. For those who say that it is a total waste, what do you make of the research posted on their site:

https://www.soclean.com/wp-content/uplo ... ct2017.pdf

Enterococcus faecalis was completely inactivated on all filter papers subjected to the sanitizing process

I think that if I'm gonna put contaminated filter papers in my mask, that it could work.

However, I'm not putting filter papers in my mask (which will be much easier to decontaminate), and there's nothing in there that needs sanitizing in the first place.

Don't use toilet paper... or think a bit and use it before on the mask and then on the toilet

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm

Also, pimper for socrap...

Yep...Marvin came here just to attempt a sneaky spam.
We all know why he did it. He doesn't really want to discuss anything.
I didn't remove it for various reasons. One being I think that they end up shooting themselves in the foot and causing more damage when they come here with the sneaky spam attempt. Just gives people more ammunition to fire back with.

They are wasting their time here....not going to change anyone's mind here with their sneaky spam.
The people who want to use it...will use it and the people who think it is a waste of money won't be changing their minds just because some shill came here and attempted a sneaky spam.

They probably should just stick to the TV propaganda scare tactics. Waste of time and resources to come here.

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm

I seem to remember that not all that long ago, cigarette companies were pumping out lots of "studies" and "research" that said that smoking was GOOD FOR YOU.

But . . . . . . . . there appears to be a rise in CPAP use as smoking is in decline. (Note winking smiley, I am in no way advocating smoking in any way or any correlation at all)

hobbs wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:48 pm

Looks like a case of too much money to be made.

https://www.cpap.com/productpage/3B-med ... tizer.html

Interesting that originally they had this for $219. BUT, it was 'Out of Stock," when it finally comes back, the price is also jacked up. Sorry, they may own this forum, but I don't trust CPAP.COM.

I think they price match. Call and ask for the best price. Prices change. Everywhere. For a multitude of reasons.

Even with the most reputable businesses on the planet, if you want the best price, 'trust but verify.'

But hey, buy from whomever you are most comfortable with. I get it. I am boycotting Amazon at the moment, myself.

I don't blame cpap.com for selling that stuff, either. I mean, if pet rocks or mood rings were the fad, ya sell them, whether they actually "do" anything or not. That's the way market economies work.

jnk... wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:43 am

I think they price match.

I don't blame cpap.com for selling that stuff, either. I mean, if pet rocks or mood rings were the fad, ya sell them, whether they actually "do" anything or not. That's the way market economies work.

Hmmm... Cpap.com is selling a machine that the majority of cpap users think is worthless. I would think they know it's worthless too. Someone, somewhere is going to buy one, which they know. I guess that is the way market economics works... or maybe just plain greed??

I speak only for myself, as you well know . . .

I believe it any seller's right and duty to sell any product that their customers want to buy, as long as it isn't harmful or unlawful. To do otherwise could be considered a form of censorship, in the sense of making decisions for the customers that the customers themselves have a right to make. That said, no customer can force a seller to carry an item they don't want to carry, either. Works both ways. Choices of sellers. Choices of buyers. All play a role.

I am just happy cpap.com lets us attack items they sell and do so with impunity. And I'm happy cpap.com doesn't load this place with ads, although it would be their right to do so. In fact, my preference would be that they have a direct link to their storefront here, in the interests of disclosure. Although I assume they have not put such a link here for the reason that it allows OTHER sites to be OK with THEIR users making links to cpaptalk as a noncommercial site. Just an assumption on my part.

Businesses have to make money to stay in business. So for me, 'greed' in the sense of wanting to be profitable with product choices and prices is their job. 'Greed' in the sense of abusing customers, gouging, or having bad service is the kind of 'greed' I condemn. Hey, just me.

I mean, they sell bricks, always have, despite how that has been viewed here by many. And I'm glad they do--some want them for travel, etc.

And as I've said earlier, if someone can afford a cleaning machine and it makes them feel better, more power to them in buying it. Because, if people were to suddenly restrict themselves to buying only what was actually needed and useful, the entire world economy would collapse. And that sort of collapse would not be welcomed by all. At least not yet. DreamStalker may be the only guy ready and hoping for that.

McDonalds sells junk food because people want it. Making McDonalds or hamburgers illegal isn't usually the accepted way of the West. I'm glad it's there for the people who want it. Eater beware.

chartle wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:47 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm

I seem to remember that not all that long ago, cigarette companies were pumping out lots of "studies" and "research" that said that smoking was GOOD FOR YOU.

But . . . . . . . . there appears to be a rise in CPAP use as smoking is in decline. (Note winking smiley, I am in no way advocating smoking in any way or any correlation at all)

I wouldn't call smoking declining, vapor is smoking, and your kids think it is as cool or more so as ever, It contains the same drugs as smoking plus many others with problems as bad or worse than tobacco. Cost is the only factor in the decline, if it's declining as all, I haven't seen any tobacco providers in the welfare lines, not even passing out free samples. Jim

As far as I know cpap.com has never sold the SoClean device which yeah...most of the forum members here think is worthless.

Now they have elected to offer for sale a new type of sanitizing device that uses UV light. It promotes sanitizing and not "cleaning" (which is what SoClean likes to promote).

I think it's a bit premature to make a blanket statement that "majority of cpap users think it is worthless".
When referring to the Lumin anyway....the new product that has only been fairly recently released and there's not a lot of user experience to draw any conclusions from.

Now my own personal opinion about the products that are offered by anyone for sale...like cpap.com or one of the other online sellers or heck, even my own DME who actually keeps the SoClean in stock and sells it.
I don't feel that any retail seller should be making any decisions about what I can opt to buy or not.
Their job is to offer the products available that they choose to make available and my job is to decide what I want or don't want to buy. I don't want them deciding for me...I want my own control.
It's not their job to dictate my choices for me.

Now as for cpap.com having never offered the SoClean...at least in the 9 years I have been here...I don't know why they didn't and it's not my job to dictate their inventory choices.
For some reason they have elected to offer the Lumin...that's their right. Remember Johnny has some very specific opinions about censorship in any form. Doesn't surprise me one bit that they elected to offer the Lumin.
Just like it is our right to not buy something if we don't want to.

As for the Lumin being "worthless"...that's something yet to be determined and again probably like everything else with cpap...comes with a huge YMMV sticker.
CPAP.com sells other products that to me are "worthless"...or at least worthless for my own personal needs. It's not my job to question why they choose to sell something that I think it worthless.

Just because you or I or every member here today thinks anything is "worthless" doesn't mean that a place of business (any business) should not offer a product. That's not the American way of doing business.
If there is a market for a product then why not offer the product?

Are you going to say that cpap.com shouldn't be selling the brick cpap machines because we think they are worthless?

My suggestion...let the good old American way decide if it was a good idea to invest in the inventory costs for any product no matter what we personally might feel about the product because it's not our job to dictate inventory choices for any place of business based on what we might think.
If the product doesn't sell...well that will be a lot more telling than a few forum members being unhappy that a place of business offers a product that doesn't personally seem worthwhile to an individual.

I don't know about you guys but I am an adult and prefer to make my own choices. I don't want any one of you guys telling me what I should or shouldn't be buying.
And that's what those of you that are so upset about cpap.com selling a product that YOU don't care for are trying to do.
You want to tell cpap.com that they shouldn't sell something because YOU don't think it is a worthwhile product.
Is that the way we do things here in the USA? Do you all think that you get to dictate their inventory based on your personal opinion...sorry but it doesn't work that way.

As for the Lumin...it promotes sanitizing only...it doesn't say that a person can avoid normal soap and water cleaning.
Now does it really sanitize...dunno...but UV is commonly used for that specific purpose and it's reasonable to assume that it will do what it says it will do. Until proven otherwise what else can we do.

Vote with your dollars...don't buy something that is "worthless" in your opinion...businesses will eventually get the message one way or the other.
But YOU don't get to dictate how I might vote with my dollars and that's what you are trying to do here and I for one will rebel big time.

I see jnk posted while I was composing this...I agree with everything he said. but I spent so much time and energy composing this that I have to post it anyway.

Also Mc Donald's doesn't use scare tactics to get me to buy my Egg Mc Muffin's, smell does the trick. Jim

Also I'm addicted to burning grease. That may be why I became a mechanic.

Goofproof wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:36 am

chartle wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:47 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:17 pm

I seem to remember that not all that long ago, cigarette companies were pumping out lots of "studies" and "research" that said that smoking was GOOD FOR YOU.

But . . . . . . . . there appears to be a rise in CPAP use as smoking is in decline. (Note winking smiley, I am in no way advocating smoking in any way or any correlation at all)

I wouldn't call smoking declining, vapor is smoking, and your kids think it is as cool or more so as ever, It contains the same drugs as smoking plus many others with problems as bad or worse than tobacco. Cost is the only factor in the decline, if it's declining as all, I haven't seen any tobacco providers in the welfare lines, not even passing out free samples. Jim

Smoking is declining in the US thats why a lot of the cigarette makers are pushing their products in places like China which is a smokers paradise. Now as for vaping I guess we will have to see.

Regardless of what we think of the So Clean, there is obviously a market for it even if they use scare tactics to sell it. If there were no market, it would disappear. As long as we have germaphobes left, there will be a market for it. If using it makes someone more comfortable using their CPAP machine and increases the likelihood they will use it, we can't say it is totally worthless. Personally, I don't need one, and don't see a need for it in my life.

Okie bipap wrote: ↑

Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:11 pm

Regardless of what we think of the So Clean, there is obviously a market for it even if they use scare tactics to sell it. If there were no market, it would disappear. As long as we have germaphobes left, there will be a market for it. If using it makes someone more comfortable using their CPAP machine and increases the likelihood they will use it, we can't say it is totally worthless. Personally, I don't need one, and don't see a need for it in my life.

They have good marketing. My wife told me about it even before I had my appt with the Sleep Dr. When I told her what it was and what it cost she was pretty much a no thanks.