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The american way is simply a ladder, and the only way to feel successful is to have someone beneath you.

hobbs wrote:Wonder how well the business would have done without the government built road to get customers to it?

Sloop wrote:

Wonder what he'll put on the sign when the Home Depot opens up across the street?

Sometimes "individual talent" consists of being clever enough to take advantage of government handouts - low interest loans, putting your business in your wife's name so that you get preferential treatment when bidding on government contracts (woman-owned business) etc...

hobbs wrote:Wonder how well the business would have done without the government built road to get customers to it?

Sloop wrote:

Of which his taxes helped pay for. And since he seems to have built a very successful business, his taxes were high.

Okay let's look at this from a different perspective.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that a successful business owner "didn't build it"

So what IS the difference between a failed business and a very successful one? Is "society" prejudiced, do they provide and withhold their "help" on some whimsical criteria? Why? What criteria?
Sure ALL businesses receive some benefit from the infrastructure and such provided by "society". But what exactly is IT that makes one business succeed where many many others fail? Does "society" somehow pre-determine who will be successful? Does "society" somehow make one successful and make another fail? How does "society" determine this?

I think not!!
The successful businesses are generally those who have an owner/founder/visionary/whatever who was willing to put forth the effort and hard work necessary to, in many cases, overcome "society's" help. What sets the successful apart from those not successful is indeed the hard work of someone who did BUILD it. They took "society's" help and built a successful business. If it was the other way around we'd surely have a hell of a lot more successful business don't you think -- after all we have the worlds foremost "society" providing us with the very best infrastructure don't we? If one cona be successful why aren't all successful.


The whole philosophy and argument of "you didn't build it" is nothing but a weak misdirection and typical of the "victim" mentality so prevalent today.

The successful small business did indeed take what "society" offered (the same thing "offered" to many many others) and BUILT a success out of it where many, many others failed. To try and paint it any other way is just plain bogus BS.

There also seems to be an underlying tone from today's Liberal leadership against Capitalism. Well, small businesses represent the largest chunk of Capitalism, and employ the most people throughout our society. The small businesses which are the MOST successful, reach that level primarily through the hard work of the owners, which of course includes hiring the best people who will help support that business as they offer needed products and/or services to the public. Talk to any small business owner about the humongous amount of new, strangling regulations that have been dumped on them over the last 4 years, and you will begin to appreciate that we are approaching this whole "economic recovery" in the wrong manner. This is not a minor issue -- our very lifestyle is in jeopardy.

Sloop wrote:There also seems to be an underlying tone from today's Liberal leadership against Capitalism. Well, small businesses represent the largest chunk of Capitalism, and employ the most people throughout our society. The small businesses which are the MOST successful, reach that level primarily through the hard work of the owners, which of course includes hiring the best people who will help support that business as they offer needed products and/or services to the public. Talk to any small business owner about the humongous amount of new, strangling regulations that have been dumped on them over the last 4 years, and you will begin to appreciate that we are approaching this whole "economic recovery" in the wrong manner. This is not a minor issue -- our very lifestyle is in jeopardy.

And your hard work will be worthless without police to protect it, roads and water and power to help it function, schools to teach the employees. You could of course hire lots of security guards, build a big wall and moat, buy generators and water purifiers but without roads you won't get customers to your door or goods to the customers. Oh and those customers - they pay taxes too and they may not want to buy from you if they think you are such an asshole and idiot to think they are worthless.

Yes your over the top gimme gimme and shit on the rest lifestyle is in jeopardy.

You know the rest of the world can run businesses with high taxes, supporting their people so I guess American business people are barely competent compared to the rest of the world.

Oh and the government is a mirror of the society that keeps it in power. So all those complaints about its corruption and incompetence is just a reflection looking back at you.

BlackSpinner wrote:

Sloop wrote:There also seems to be an underlying tone from today's Liberal leadership against Capitalism. Well, small businesses represent the largest chunk of Capitalism, and employ the most people throughout our society. The small businesses which are the MOST successful, reach that level primarily through the hard work of the owners, which of course includes hiring the best people who will help support that business as they offer needed products and/or services to the public. Talk to any small business owner about the humongous amount of new, strangling regulations that have been dumped on them over the last 4 years, and you will begin to appreciate that we are approaching this whole "economic recovery" in the wrong manner. This is not a minor issue -- our very lifestyle is in jeopardy.

And your hard work will be worthless without police to protect it, roads and water and power to help it function, schools to teach the employees. You could of course hire lots of security guards, build a big wall and moat, buy generators and water purifiers but without roads you won't get customers to your door or goods to the customers. Oh and those customers - they pay taxes too and they may not want to buy from you if they think you are such an asshole and idiot to think they are worthless.

Yes your over the top gimme gimme and shit on the rest lifestyle is in jeopardy.

You know the rest of the world can run businesses with high taxes, supporting their people so I guess American business people are barely competent compared to the rest of the world.

Oh and the government is a mirror of the society that keeps it in power. So all those complaints about its corruption and incompetence is just a reflection looking back at you.

BlackSpinner: We built the roads and paid the teachers with our taxes you moron! As well as the rest of the infrastructure of this country. The hard-working entrepreneurs that have made this country great and provided the jobs to make it what it is today should not have to carry the load for all the folks who would just as soon sit on their butts checking the mail every month for their welfare checks, chatting on their free government phones, eating their free government cheese, buying their booze and gambling away the money they got from food stamps.

Thank God you're in Canada....do us all a favor and stay there!

It is my tax payments that pay for all these government programs. Without successful business funding the government, how would the infrastructure get built? How does the government generate revenue, other than fees, taxes and fines? It doesn't. Some of you leftists think all the money belongs to the state and I am allowed to keep some of it. My belief is that all the money I have was earned through hard work and belongs to me, and by law, a percentage is collected to pay for those tasks the can be performed better by government. Some societies think that government is responsible for all activity and revenue, which was stated very clearly by the speech made in Roanoke. Some of you on here subscribe to this misguided, anti-business theory. But the truth is, the large majority of this country is center right and support the capitalistic model. We will not let you get away with transforming this country into a European model of government. It is not sustainable, as evidenced by what is now happening.

Fur coats don't trickle down.

For being so industrious and self-reliant, US business owners sure like to whine a whole lot. Whine about taxes, whine about regulations, whine about socialism. If the government is so oppressive, go somewhere else and run your business. Oh wait, that's right--there IS nowhere else. I can't wait to see what happens if conservatives elect another "pro-business" administration, given that the last one wrecked the world economy and put two wars on the credit card. I don't hear conservatives whining about their tax dollars going into Bush's TARP bank bailout, but try to build a bridge or give someone health care, and WHOA SOCIALISM HELP WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED. If business owners are really the backbone of this country, they should start by acting like they''ve got one. Can't stand the heat? Get out of business. Another business will take your government-oppressed place in a heartbeat.

I would expect nothing less from SF. Government leadership out there is just beyond words, it's so efficient.

pacificpap wrote:For being so industrious and self-reliant, US business owners sure like to whine a whole lot. Whine about taxes, whine about regulations, whine about socialism. If the government is so oppressive, go somewhere else and run your business. Oh wait, that's right--there IS nowhere else. I can't wait to see what happens if conservatives elect another "pro-business" administration, given that the last one wrecked the world economy and put two wars on the credit card. I don't hear conservatives whining about their tax dollars going into Bush's TARP bank bailout, but try to build a bridge or give someone health care, and WHOA SOCIALISM HELP WE'RE BEING OPPRESSED. If business owners are really the backbone of this country, they should start by acting like they''ve got one. Can't stand the heat? Get out of business. Another business will take your government-oppressed place in a heartbeat.

Oh I don't know. Seems to me like 4 years of unemployment above 8%, 5+ trillion dollars added to our national debt, government lawlessness and wrecking of our Constitution, a lieing POS POTUS, being told this is no longer a Christian nation, takeover of GM and student loans, lawless czars, federal lawsuits against states that are just wanting to uphold FEDERAL immigration laws, disregarding the National Day of Prayer by this administration while catering to Islamic radicals, redistribution of wealth, 46 million on food stamps, ridiculous immigration policies by inacted by fiat, free contraceptives and a new war on religion. You're totally right....nothing to whine about here...just move along. You sound like Pelosi.

Yes, there are zero successful businesses in SF. There's basically no economy here whatsoever. Small business, large industry, there's nothing, just one big government wasteland from Marin to Silicon Valley. That's why nobody lives here, certainly no entrepreneurs. Send help, comrade! We're being so oppressed!

SleepingDVader wrote:You sound like Pelosi.

Businesses, they're so strong and independent and build everything by themselves, but they can't survive Nancy Pelosi, the minority leader of the most ineffectual body of government in the world, who couldn't even get her own party to pass legislation when she had the majority. Yes, she's coming for you, small business.