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NateS wrote:

Well NateS, we found something we can agree on.

Good-bye for now.

Sleep2Die4 wrote: The chief Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, repeatedly praised “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” and “the development toward an authoritarian state” based on the “demand that collective good be put before individual self-interest.” Roosevelt himself called Benito Mussolini “admirable” and professed that he was “deeply impressed by what he had accomplished.”

You would certainly be embarrassed, if not shocked, if confronted with the names and quotes of other Americans, many on the right, who praised and were praised by Hitler and the Nazis early on.

Let's not play that sleazy game.

Nate

CNN and FOX stumbled all over themselves in trying to be first to break the news from the Supreme Court on the health care bill - and got it WRONG! They first announced that it had been struck DOWN!! And then had to wipe the egg off their faces and correct their error. Talk about shades of Chicago's "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline!!!!!

Slinky wrote: CNN and FOX stumbled all over themselves in trying to be first to break the news from the Supreme Court on the health care bill - and got it WRONG! They first announced that it had been struck DOWN!! And then had to wipe the egg off their faces and correct their error. Talk about shades of Chicago's "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline!!!!!

Laugh all you want

A NATION IN PERIL

Sloop wrote:
Laugh all you want

If you have to stand on your head to see things right-side up, maybe you're seeing things wrong.

Nate

The whole discussion is moot, though; isn't it? After all, isn't the world ending on 12/21 of this year?

Slinky, you rock

I am an independent! I find it interesting that everyone who is telling be how bad Obamacare has some sort of Govt. Healthcare. They either have medicare, or are in congress and part of the Federal Employees group, or are retired Military with Tricare. This is just an observation. Think about it.

greenguru wrote:I am an independent! I find it interesting that everyone who is telling be how bad Obamacare has some sort of Govt. Healthcare. They either have medicare, or are in congress and part of the Federal Employees group, or are retired Military with Tricare. This is just an observation. Think about it.

I have military (VA) healthcare and I am most assuredly fully supporting the PPACA. So it's not everyone with government healthcare. I certainly hope I'm not the only one.

Sleep2Die4 wrote:FDR’s very own treasury secretary, Henry Morgenthau, saw the folly of the New Deal, writing: “We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. ... We have never made good on our promises. ... I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started ... and an enormous debt to boot!” …

Why is it that Republicans never quote what he said next in that very same meeting, on how the budget should to be balanced:

We have never begun to tax the people in this country the way they should be.… I don't pay what I should. People of my class don't. People who have it should pay.

http://www.burtfolsom.com/wp-content/up ... enthau.pdf

Perhaps an inadvertent omission? Yeah, right.

When are Republicans in Congress and elsewhere going to stand up and quote that part of what Henry Morgenthau said on that day as the way to eliminate deficits? And how did the Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy fit into that advice for reducing the deficit and balancing the budget?

One of the hazards of copying from propaganda organs instead of tracking down and studying original sources.

Nate

mikewithe wrote:The whole discussion is moot, though; isn't it? After all, isn't the world ending on 12/21 of this year?

The world is NOT ending.

Modern industrial civilization is ending. It's been in decline for about a decade now. The actual causes were enhanced about 35 to 40 years ago. The real cause began over 250 years ago with use of fossil fuel energy to "stimulate" the technological and economic "growth" known as the Industrial Revolution. No one to blame, not the Dems, not the GOP, not Obamacare, not science or religion ... it just is what it is.

What is ending within the next year (+/- 6 months) is the USD as the world's reserve currency. When Nixon closed the window on backing of USD with gold, the world's monetary systems all went into faith-based financing. This enhanced the financial fraud which has "peaked" ... due to the principles of fractional reserve banking, compound interest, and financial deregulation. The world central banks (and the governments/economies that they own) have lost control of the global debt, an eventual conclusion of the basic principles on which they exist. People simply do not understand how money works an so are blind to the simple mathematical inequality. Money exists only because of loans (debt) which can never be fully paid back because of the residual interest (an exponential function btw) on that debt (unless there is endless growth to the end of time). Over time, the debt service eventually outgrows the rate at which it can be paid back because growth is limited, debt interest is not. That is where we are now ... global debt can never be paid back and the exponential function is out of reach (unsustainable) and consequently, collapse is inevitable.

The problem with Keynes, Krugman (who is not a true Keynsian btw), and nearly all economists Austrian or otherwise is that they never "account" (pardon the pun) for financial fraud or the principles of fractional reserve banking and compound interest in their theoretical models. Their theoretical models are also detached from reality because their models for economic growth are based on falsely assuming that growth is eternal with imaginary unlimited resources. In other words, they ignorantly believe in sustainable growth, perpetual motion, and other nonsense that violates the basic Laws of Thermodynamics.

The economic failure we are witnessing now is due to a global insolvency due to reasons I mentioned above. Currencies have collapsed many times throughout history but this is the first time that all will collapse pretty much at the same time. The consequences are unknown but will be profound nonetheless ... changing the world as we know it. Add to that the exponential human population growth, the exponential pollution of the environment, and global climate change and we have the greatest show on earth occurring within our lifetime.

Do some research - find out how money works, how empires and civilizations have collapsed in the past, what peak oil means, and how life on this planet and its evolution are tied directly to the basic Laws of Thermodynamics. It's a lot of information and took me over six months to investigate ... but it will give you a new outlook of the future. A future that is grim from the old world paradigm view we were indoctrinated into from childhood, an exciting future from the new world paradigm that you decide to make of it.

Google the following for interent videos/text just to peak your interest, not the end all be all truth ... that is something you have to pursue on your own.

Richard Heinberg
Bill Still
Dmitry Orlov
Tim Bennett's movie

Slinky wrote: CNN and FOX stumbled all over themselves in trying to be first to break the news from the Supreme Court on the health care bill - and got it WRONG! They first announced that it had been struck DOWN!! And then had to wipe the egg off their faces and correct their error. Talk about shades of Chicago's "Dewey Defeats Truman" headline!!!!!

This was simple media propaganda to manipulate the computer trading algorithms ... common fraudulent Wall Street practices to transfer wealth from the ignorant 99% masses to the 1%.

DreamStalker wrote: . . . first time that all will collapse pretty much at the same time. . . . changing the world as we know it. . . .

Are ya sure them books ya been readin' are financial books, DS? 'Cause sure sounds to me like ya been readin' yer Bible again--like maybe Ezekiel 7:19 or Zephaniah 1:18 or sumthin'?

jnk wrote:

DreamStalker wrote: . . . first time that all will collapse pretty much at the same time. . . . changing the world as we know it. . . .

Are ya sure them books ya been readin' are financial books, DS? 'Cause sure sounds to me like ya been readin' yer Bible again--like maybe Ezekiel 7:19 or Zephaniah 1:18 or sumthin'?

Read the bible about 20 years ago (can't quote much off the top of my head) ... didn't do much for me back then although I agree with "some" its recommendations on how to treat your fellow human beings.

Not into the metaphysical stuff either (Nostradamus, Myan calendar, space alien, etc. ). Though I try to keep an open mind, my take is based on science and basic principles of analytical reasoning. Silver and gold may be worthwhile in the near term but eventually ... yes, food and water, and shelter, and security and transportation will be the fundamental needs.

A couple of years ago I tried to bring attention to the flaws of conventional wisdom re: healthy nutrition and was met with blasphemy

If only one or two people can make themselves aware of the changes and challenges of our future over the next few months to couple of decades, then it doesn't matter who makes fun of me or calls me a crazed loon. I owe a lot to this forum for my life. It's worth it.