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Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:16 pm
by Lizistired
Wow Lazer, Sounds like you have a real doc!
Mine (in a hospital group) just offers pills for my complaints, and when I started getting copies of my labs, I noticed my fasting blood glucose was slowly creeping up. He always said my labs looked great! So maybe he doesn't get paid enough by my insurance to bother. Not sure, but it's my health.
I think the farther away I stay from doctors, the longer I might live.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:43 am
by idamtnboy
Janknitz wrote:If you don't already have one get a blood glucose meter and watch your blood sugar carefully. It's blood glucose/insulin levels that are the drivers of cardiovascular disease and excess protein can raise blood glucose. So be careful with your protein.
Been watching my BG level for ten years now.
This is the first I've ever heard of high protein raising BG level. Here's an article showing test results exactly the opposite. The last reference does indicate high protein will raise BG but that's in the specific case of ultra-low carb diet. My experience supports the plan of low, not ultra low, carb with higher, not ultra-high, protein diet controls BG about the best. But then there's the possibility of cholesterol not being in desired range. There ain't no easy answer. Anyone who thinks there is is deluding themselves, including medical professionals.
These two have links to the full text in PDF format. These may actually be pretty much the same article. I didn't read them in detail.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/co ... 5.abstract
http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/4/734.long
This one discusses the findings above with some added commentary.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/26918 ... ood-sugar/
This is the one that points out the issue with ultra-low carb diets.
http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2009/07/h ... raise.html
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:26 pm
by Janknitz
This is the first I've ever heard of high protein raising BG level. Here's an article showing test results exactly the opposite. The last reference does indicate high protein will raise BG but that's in the specific case of ultra-low carb diet.
It's neither here nor there but none of the studies cited can be considered "ultra low carb"--the lowest of them still had 20% of energy from carbohydrates. True "very low carb" diets are generally 10% or below, but there's no standardization of nomenclature.
But there is a limit to how much protein your body can use. Whether people lower carbs or fat, protein tends to stay the same. Low carb diets are NOT high protein--protein remains low to moderate. A good explanation of why:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mar ... z21BiYtGzY
Clearly, a fair amount [of protein] is directed to normal tissue growth and repair. If it’s much more than that, a few possibilities enter the picture. Some will be directed towards a short term storage option referred to as the “labile protein reserve.” In this case, skeletal muscle tissue will take up some of the excess amino acids and simply store then for possible near future use (like within a day or so or for emergencies). Beyond that, your body will want to oxidize excess amino acids directly for fuel or convert them to glucose in the liver via gluconeogenesis. It will convert the nitrogen from the amino acids into ammonia and you will excrete that in your urine. If levels get too high in the bloodstream, your pH will shift (more acidic) and calcium will be called upon to balance pH out again. As we have seen with some people going full Primal, larger intakes of protein can offset lowered carb intake by generating significant rises in glucose through gluconeogenesis. Indeed, there are a lot of options the body has when you eat a high protein meal.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:59 am
by Jay Aitchsee
For you low carbers looking for a little treat, here's a recipe I adapted from Elana's Pantry Simple Bread,
http://www.elanaspantry.com/simple-bread
It can be used as coffee cake and is reminiscent of pound cake. Warning - it is not low calorie.
Ingredients:
3 large eggs
1/2 c melted coconut oil
1 tbspn apple cider vinegar
2 1/4 c almond flour
1/2 tspn salt
1/2 tspn baking soda
1/2 c Stevia in the Raw
Mix the dry ingredients in one bowl. In another bowl, wisk the eggs and add the vinegar and oil. Add the wet ingredients to dry, combine and turn into a well greased 8 X 8 baking pan. Bake at 350 degrees for 30 minutes.
Serves 8
324 cal, 31.2 g fat, 6.9 g carbs, 3.4 g fiber, 9.1 g protein per serving.
Enjoy,
Jay
Husband's LDL shot up on LCHF diet
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:40 pm
by SleepingUgly
My husband went on the LCHF diet because I was doing it. Prior to that he had been on a low fat, high carb diet, with lots of whole grains and low fat meals. He is 6'1.5" and weighed 160 lbs on that diet, so clearly did not need to lose weight. At that point his numbers were:
Triglycerides 59
Total Cholestoler 131
HDL 62
LDL 57
Then he went on a fairly strict low carb, high fat diet. 3 months, his weight is down to about 150 lbs, but again, he was thin at his prior weight, so that's meaningless. He checked his fasting lipid panel again after this 3 month period, and the results were:
Trig 50
Total Chol 237
HDL 88
LDL 139
His LDL is now in an UNhealthy range. It had been good before, as had all his numbers. His overall risk for cardiovascular disease, while still low, has now gone up.
Thoughts, anyone?
(And what does all this mean for the high fat salad dressings and heavy whipping cream that I've gotten used to thanks to him?!)
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:50 pm
by Janknitz
Total cholesterol and LDL-C (calculated LDL) are NOT a good indicator of cardiovascular risk, even though the statin companies would like to make you think they are. I would say your husband's cholesterol improved dramatically. HDL is up, triglycerides are down. THAT's what you want to see.
Here's a good primer on cholesterol:
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/chole ... rimer.html Pay special attention to all the ratios and also how LDL-C is calculated. Note, the Freidenwald formula used to calculate LDL-C is INACCURATE when triglycerides fall below 100--so neither LDL-C measurement was very useful.
And finally, here's a summary version of the latest, cutting edge info on cholesterol. It's still pretty technical, but much easier to read and absorb than the original 9 part series:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-stra ... ow-part-1/ and
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-stra ... z255HpbWyK In part 2 he points out: "
LDL particles (LDL-P), not LDL cholesterol content (LDL-C), is what drives sterols into artery walls – Don’t confuse the “boats” and the “cargo.”
Your husband is HEALTHIER now, but his doctor may simply not understand what he is seeing.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:16 pm
by ems
Janknitz wrote:Your husband is HEALTHIER now, but his doctor may simply not understand what he is seeing.
I doubt that most doctors would. If my cholesterol and LDL jumped that high, especially in a relatively short period of time, she would probably want me in the hospital for further testing.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:39 pm
by Janknitz
I doubt that most doctors would. If my cholesterol and LDL jumped that high, especially in a relatively short period of time, she would probably want me in the hospital for further testing.
That's because doctors don't keep up with the literature except what's in the nice shiny propoganda the drug companies distribute for "prescribing guidelines". I repeat, studies show that total cholesterol and LDLC (especially inaccurately calculated LDL) are not predictive of cardiovascular risk.
ETA: If my doctor did that, I'd fire her!
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:30 am
by Todzo
-SWS wrote:...Red Calories, White Calories. Dr. Taubes, meet Dr. Seuss.
Primal diet experts and low-carb diet experts, PLEASE weigh in here. Would experts who advocate your diet dispute these findings?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/12/health/re ... ?hpt=hp_c2
Thanks in advance for enlightening those of us who are non-experts. My ever-so-slight arteriosclerosis and I look forward to your comments.
It occures to me now that the only good calories are burned calories.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:55 pm
by HoseCrusher
In 2012 diet seemed worthy of consideration.
I don't think diet will cure apnea, but it can help with general health.
In 2016 diet is still worthy of consideration. The goal of most of us is to live vibrantly and diet may be a critical piece to this puzzle.
Re: OT:Good Calories, Bad Calories....
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:01 pm
by chunkyfrog
I do so miss lazer's twerking elephant!