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Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:08 am
by chunkyfrog
When my mother-in law had a heart attack, the hospital staff wanted permission to unplug her.
My husband and his siblings would not hear of it--my husband realized the drug administered to
get the tube down her throat paralyzed her to the extent she registered negative on the reflex tests.
She was in the hospital a month, speaking multiple languages with another patient there.
She lived another 3.5 years in her own home. She was ambulatory, and able to attend church for most of that time,
remembering the Mass in its entirety, though she could not remember what day it was, or whether she had taken her pills.
Those years were difficult for my husband, who cared for her 90% of the time; but her remaining time was something no one would change.

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:20 pm
by Kairosgrammy
Yeah, but if you fall unconscious in Target, you didn't call 911. Somebody else did.
GumbyCT wrote:
Mary Z wrote:My mother in law died last month and was a DNR but since paperwork was not in the home, even with a daughter there who knew her mother's wishes the paramedics had to proceed.
The safest, bestest way to make sure a DNR is complied with is to NOT call 911. Once you initiate 911 they have to at least go thru the motions bc they are afraid of being sued.

IF terminally ill, there is prob a doc involved, right? Call the doc instead of 911. Better yet have all these details discussed with the doc, family, and the funeral home who will transport the body instead of paramedics. AND or course a properly notarized Living Will can then be helpful for the cya of those involved.

HTH

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:21 pm
by Kairosgrammy
And a tattoo on your chest is a legal document?
Mary Z wrote:No medical alert bracelets for DNR. You could try, but it would not be a legal document. This is a real problem (though off topic sort of). Even if you have a living will specifying no CPR if paramedics are called unless there is a copy for them to read they have to do CPR (unless you're plainly dead). They recommend keeping important copies of papers like this on your fridge, but that doesn't help if you're out of the house. My mother in law died last month and was a DNR but since paperwork was not in the home, even with a daughter there who knew her mother's wishes the paramedics had to proceed.
I'd be first in line for that tattoo. Maybe they could put a box beside organ donor on your drivers license though that would be a legal nightmare.

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 7:39 pm
by GumbyCT
Kairosgrammy wrote:Yeah, but if you fall unconscious in Target, you didn't call 911. Somebody else did.
believe it or not - it is not up to me to think of everything
BUT - Read the EDIT below there sweety.
GumbyCT wrote:
GumbyCT wrote:
Mary Z wrote:My mother in law died last month and was a DNR but since paperwork was not in the home, even with a daughter there who knew her mother's wishes the paramedics had to proceed.
The safest, bestest way to make sure a DNR is complied with is to NOT call 911. Once you initiate 911 they have to at least go thru the motions bc they are afraid of being sued.

IF terminally ill, there is prob a doc involved, right? Call the doc instead of 911. Better yet have all these details discussed with the doc, family, and the funeral home who will transport the body instead of paramedics. AND or course a properly notarized Living Will can then be helpful for the cya of those involved.

HTH
EDIT: To Avoid the waiting line at Boot Hill
It is also helpful to make sure that each local hospital, to which you could be transported, has a copy of your Living Will in your medical record, in case someone panics when you are out in public and calls the medics. The hospital is less likely to get aggressive IF they know they won't be sued.

Re: OT: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:00 pm
by Goofproof
NightMonkey wrote:
Seems like only 10% of resuscitated patients survive without big problems.
Where did you get this statistic and have you looked into what it really means?

Many people who are resuscitated are elderly people with serious health problems. They are not "walking around on the street" anyway.

My grandmother has advanced dementia at the age of 92 and recently my father and his siblings signed a DNR. My dad has durable power of attorney and only his signature was needed but he would not sign until the others did.

The nursing home my grandmother is in has the DNR readily available and standard procedure in the home is to check before any patient is revived.

I think the problem with the statistic is that many people who would not want to be resuscitated never sign a DNR or their responsible party never signs a DNR. So I would not expect them to get a stamp.

What do you imagine is the profile of the people who would get the stamps? Would you?
I don't know about that 10%, but I have De-Fib installed at best it has q 30% chance of keeping me alive until I get to the hospital, if it worked, and seeing as it has defective lead wires, it's probably useless. Jim

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:01 am
by Guest
Alienart wrote:I have a bigger issue with death than with not being able to lead a normal life. Life will be too short regardless. Whatever you believe is on the other side of life, I'm pretty sure it lasts a really long time. No need to rush into it.
There is a good reason to rush into it if what's on the other side is way better than what's on this side.

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:10 am
by Bert_Mathews
Guest wrote:
Alienart wrote:I have a bigger issue with death than with not being able to lead a normal life. Life will be too short regardless. Whatever you believe is on the other side of life, I'm pretty sure it lasts a really long time. No need to rush into it.
There is a good reason to rush into it if what's on the other side is way better than what's on this side.
?? Having somebody changing your Diaper and wiping the dull from your lips. . ???

Re: NO CPR stamp

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 7:14 am
by deltadave
Guest wrote:
Alienart wrote:I have a bigger issue with death than with not being able to lead a normal life. Life will be too short regardless. Whatever you believe is on the other side of life, I'm pretty sure it lasts a really long time. No need to rush into it.
There is a good reason to rush into it if what's on the other side is way better than what's on this side.
"IMHO", one must be careful as to how one "rushes into it".

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