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Lisha,

If you turn the machine off for any reason, a BR break, for example, when you turn it back on, it starts a new file.
Sometimes, the machine breaks the night up into 2 or even 3 files, for no obvious reason .
So sometimes you have to upload more than one set of files (.001 .002 .005) to see a whole night.

idamtnboy wrote:. For summary data I think this Resscan graph presents it pretty good.

You're right, that is a nice chart. Thanks very much for posting the screenshot. I plan to also have graphs similar to this on a summary page, but I thought the timeline idea might be helpful in addition. Maybe it's not. But i'm almost finished I guess so I'll leave it.

robysue wrote: 2) I've had no luck at all in getting events to show up in Onkor on any kind of regular basis. Sometimes they show up, sometimes they don't. I'm using Firefox 3.0.something, so maybe that's the problem.

As someone mentioned later, this may be a problem with initial loading. You can perhaps try to reload the view page to see if the events are loaded correctly.

robysue wrote: 3) As others have commented, there seems to be some serious fragmentation of the files on some nights. And you have to patch things together in Onkor. My question/speculation: Are those mysterious black dots in the Encore Pro wave forms where Pro is sewing things back together? In other words, on a night with lots of black dots in the Pro wave form, are there lots of .005 files?

This will be fixed in the new version, which is perhaps 1-2 weeks away. The new version will no longer care about individual "sessions" and instead be based only on time.

robysue wrote: 5) I really wish there were a slider bar at the bottom of the wave flow the way there is in ResScan so that you can quickly scan data at a tight interval without having to click the dang mouse so many times.

Hmm, you're right, that would be nice. Unfortunately, I don't think the graphing library I use supports it... I'll look into it.

robysue wrote: 6) The timezone setting is funky and doesn't work on my computer. It picks up my time zone correctly (GMT -4) but displays the times wrong: They are four hours too early. Hence changing the time to GMT fixes the problem. But I have to do this for EACH and EVERY file I want to look at. Bummer.

I've heard at least one other person mention this too. I will look into it.


Thanks for you comments once again, RobySue.

Ok I figured out the time problem by switching to GMT as per previous post. Thank you again for this program.

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lars4life wrote:Just wondering why lots of people are trying this software out when one can get
the Oncore Pro 2.4 very inexpensively through various channels? O.P 2.4 is safe,
secure and one does not have to upload their sensitive and personal data.
I'm not saying one should not do it, just curious.

Any number of reasons.
First,,, Pro 2.4xx is bulky and can be problematic to install and use for many people. Not everyone gets along well with it.
Doesn't play nice with other than Windows OS unless people do the Windows environment thing and that can be difficult for some computer users. Some people just don't like it or can't get the hang of using it. Causes more stress than it alleviates.

Onkor doesn't collect any personally identifiable sensitive data. Nothing. There is nothing in those files on that SD card that points to me in any way. Should someone actually stumble on one of my reports online... what will they see? Nothing that means much to anyone but me.
Onkor works with any operating system.
Minor problem with IE 9 but that happens with every IE version release and lots of other software.

Some people may not have the money to purchase EncoreViewer and have personal reasons for not wanting to obtain Pro from a "gray" market area. Yes it is safe and bug free but if someone doesn't sleep well knowing that they got some software from a "gray" area, then it isn't for me to pooh pooh off their concerns. I sleep just fine but I also realize that others might not.

Onkor is a safe alternative to software. Only drawback is that it is online and storage is tied to online site. Easily remedied. Just take a screen shot of it and save it in a folder on desktop. Just in case online site has technical difficulties or internet access goes poof for a while. Heck even with the software I save screen shots every now and then to a folder because software can go poof too. I have a broken EncoreViewer 1.0 right now on another computer. It won't open, error message that i have no clue how to fix.

Onkor especially nice for those "occasional" data checks. For those people who just want an every now and then idea as to what has been going on. Maybe cpap veteran that is just curious. And just doesn't want the hassle of using the software.

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lars4life wrote: My curiosity drove my post, yours is trying to justify your truth and knowledge.

You wanted to know why some one might choose Onkor over Encore Pro. So I gave some reasons. Nothing more, nothing less. Even you have had a few problems with Encore and the reports. I remember reading about them. Given your level of stated expertise and the problems you had, it is surely conceivable that a computer novice might be overwhelmed with Encore Pro and not choose to go down that road.

I merely clarified your statement about personally identifiable information being stored on the web. There is nothing on that SD card file that points to me or anyone else.

I always felt it wasn't my place to tell someone what they should use, only advise on how to use what they choose.

Regarding Onkor's problems??? I have had none once I figured out how to use it. Works fine for me. I think for being new and open source that it does extremely well.

I just want to help people, not make fun of them.
Makes no difference to me if you use Onkor, Encore Pro or nothing at all.

lars4life wrote:You sold me! not!
Being a retired Programmer/Analyst/Network Administrator, I did not experience any
problems installing Oncore, all versions. Works for me.

First, I take you mean Encore Pro 2.4.

Second your background for dealing with any kind of software installation is FAR greater than the average user here. For me, personally, I've yet to figure out which of the many torrent sites that seem to be given as sources actually will download correctly. Let alone install. I never got to the install stage on any of my attempts to download. Finally snared an Encore Pro 2.2 install CD on ebay for cheap and went with that. Even so, hubby (who's a computer programmer by trade) still ran into some difficulties that would have been beyond me that involved the MySQL stuff if I recall correctly. But it works and I'm happy.

There are many posts
here on how to get the stuff to work.

I've read many of these posts. And even though I'm rather computer literate (on macs and unix machines), these posts never managed to help me sort out that first problem: Which torrent site will work most reliably?

I really wish Encore Pro were as easy to install as ResScan, which I installed with no need for help from Hubby. The link in Uncle_Bob's signature took me directly to a (secure) source for the code and it downloaded and installed with literally no more than two or three clicks of my mouse. And not the half day or more that hubby had to spend on getting Encore Pro to install correctly WITH an authentic installation CD.

Seems like there are a ton of posts on this
free Onkor alternative and how it is giving people problems, not working correctly.

cpapdork, the author of Onkor has PUBLICALLY asked for and is getting feedback on what works and what's still buggy. He's not claimed it's close to where he wants it to be YET. So those posts about how it's giving people problems need to be looked at in that perspective.

And so far, cpapdork is responsive to these bug reports and suggestions on what needs to work smoother. That's part of why some of us are quite happy with Onkor.

And then there's one huge positive difference that if you've never tried to upload one of your data sets you'd be completely unaware of: In Onkor you get MUCH, MUCH better graphical pictures of the wave form data. You can zoom in to really see what's going on---that 5 minutes per line in static default wave form in Encore Pro is "ok" at best for locating what's going on but all you can really do is guesstimate the length of any particular apnea. In Onkor you can zoom in to see the apnea and select it (without zooming) and find out right away that it's 15.5 seconds long if you want. You can also zoom out to see very large chunks of wave form data (including the whole night) as you can in ResScan. This helps in identifying places where you may easily have either awaken, aroused, or gone into Rem because of sharp sudden peaks in overall waveform.

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To cpapdork,

I owe you a big THANK YOU for your response to my post with problems and suggestions. I really appreciate the work you've put into Onkor and your continued efforts to make it easier and more reliable to use.

I'll continue to work with suggestions posted by pugsy and others about how to get the events to show up. And let you know about problems so you can do whatever you need or want with that information in an attempt to make Onkor work even better.

robysue

robysue wrote:I owe you a big THANK YOU for your response to my post with problems and suggestions. I really appreciate the work you've put into Onkor and your continued efforts to make it easier and more reliable to use.

I'll continue to work with suggestions posted by pugsy and others about how to get the events to show up. And let you know about problems so you can do whatever you need or want with that information in an attempt to make Onkor work even better.

it's my pleasure. And thank you as well for your continued assistance. I'm really excited about the next round of updates (maybe 1-2 weeks away). I think there will be some nifty things that even Encore doesn't provide.

EDIT: By the way, I've identified the problem that causes Onkor not to work correctly with IE9. It's related to the graphing libraries I use, which has luckily been updated now to work with IE9. However, I'm going to include the updated library at the same time as the rest of update in 1-2 weeks, since a great deal is changing anyway.

lars4life wrote:Please direct me to the source code for Onkor. I would like to download it and try to
get it to work in my offline browser.

lars4life, the source code can be fetched via Mercurial (instructions: http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=hg&group_id=389593) or you can browse the source code from the web (here: http://onkor.hg.sourceforge.net/hgweb/onkor/onkor/).

To run a local copy, you'll need a webserver serving PHP and ability to run python scripts. The next version will eliminate the need for python, but it is currently still necessary. You will likely need to configure some paths in the config file as well. Although I've only run it on Linux with Apache, I don't see any reason it wouldn't work on other platforms. Good luck!

Hi! Version 1.2 of Onkor has been released and is available at the usual place (http://www.onkor.net). The old version is still available for now, but you have the option to try the new 1.2 Beta. There is also a video overview there of the new version if you'd just like to see it without trying.

New features include:

• User Accounts Support
• Customized combining of sessions based on separation
• Calendar View and Timeline View
• Custom Good/Bad colors for AHI
• Custom Good/Bad thresholds for AHI
• Custom "mini-summaries" of past X days
• Session Bookmarks
• Internet Explorer 9 support
• Plot event markers occupy only bottom half, improving waveform visibility
• General improvement to user interface

A new base for the application was created as well, which means future improvements can be added more easily. You'll see some placeholders for future planned features (e.g. Export, Share report, Report a problem, Send Report via Email, etc) as you use.

Please let me know any problems you may encounter or if you have any questions. Again, the old version is still fully functional, and I won't fully transition to 1.2 until there are no problems (or at least fewer problems than the old version!).

cpapdork wrote:Hi! Version 1.2 of Onkor has been released and is available at the usual place (http://www.onkor.net). The old version is still available for now, but you have the option to try the new 1.2 Beta. There is also a video overview there of the new version if you'd just like to see it without trying.

New features include:

• User Accounts Support
• Customized combining of sessions based on separation
• Calendar View and Timeline View
• Custom Good/Bad colors for AHI
• Custom Good/Bad thresholds for AHI
• Custom "mini-summaries" of past X days
• Session Bookmarks
• Internet Explorer 9 support
• Plot event markers occupy only bottom half, improving waveform visibility
• General improvement to user interface

A new base for the application was created as well, which means future improvements can be added more easily. You'll see some placeholders for future planned features (e.g. Export, Share report, Report a problem, Send Report via Email, etc) as you use.

Please let me know any problems you may encounter or if you have any questions. Again, the old version is still fully functional, and I won't fully transition to 1.2 until there are no problems (or at least fewer problems than the old version!).

Awesome work Mike! Congrats on a kickass product.

They new layout rocks.