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Visitor wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:03 am

Is the study rubbish? I don't work in the medical area, so hard to judge.

If you think about it, no amount of muscle strengthening/toning is going to make any difference at all *when you're asleep and relaxed*.

To me, exercising the tongue and throat make sense.
If you really want to hear something crazy....hook up a vacuum cleaner to your nose!!!

https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/n ... story.html

"This machine, which was made from a reverse vacuum cleaner pump, was the first continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine."

Some people will go to any lengths to avoid "headgear hair"!

Mogy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:19 am

To me, exercising the tongue and throat make sense.

It stops making sense when you consider that all you're doing is strengthening muscles... which are *already* strong enough to keep your airway open... until they relax. Which they're going to do, no matter how 'strong' they are.

The only cure for Sleep Apnea is death, and even then it preferable having to listen to a didgeridoo. Jim

Mogy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:19 am

If you really want to hear something crazy....hook up a vacuum cleaner to your nose!!!

https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/n ... story.html

"This machine, which was made from a reverse vacuum cleaner pump, was the first continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine."

That chest physician they refer to is Dr. Colin Sullivan who was the first to build and put into use a CPAP machine.

Dr. Sullivan devised a breathing mask and connected it via a number of different hoses to the engine of a vacuum cleaner. Then he fitted the mask, which had to be glued, to the snout of a dog – you could imagine the feat – and he turned on the contraption. The results from the study were extremely promising – rumor has it that the dog wagged his tail, leaped outside, unearthed every bone he ever buried and, most shockingly, a nurse tech swore she saw the pooch give a double thumbs up.
https://blog.easybreathe.com/cpap-histo ... m-cleaner/

ChicagoGranny wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:31 pm

Mogy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:19 am

If you really want to hear something crazy....hook up a vacuum cleaner to your nose!!!

https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/n ... story.html

"This machine, which was made from a reverse vacuum cleaner pump, was the first continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine."

That chest physician they refer to is Dr. Colin Sullivan who was the first to build and put into use a CPAP machine.

Dr. Sullivan devised a breathing mask and connected it via a number of different hoses to the engine of a vacuum cleaner. Then he fitted the mask, which had to be glued, to the snout of a dog – you could imagine the feat – and he turned on the contraption. The results from the study were extremely promising – rumor has it that the dog wagged his tail, leaped outside, unearthed every bone he ever buried and, most shockingly, a nurse tech swore she saw the pooch give a double thumbs up.
https://blog.easybreathe.com/cpap-histo ... m-cleaner/

Fascinating. . .

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:33 am

Mogy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:19 am

To me, exercising the tongue and throat make sense.

It stops making sense when you consider that all you're doing is strengthening muscles... which are *already* strong enough to keep your airway open... until they relax. Which they're going to do, no matter how 'strong' they are.

Not sure about that argument. If so, everyone would have apnea. You could say that someone with good stomach muscles in a relaxed state would have the same bulge as someone without those muscles. Doesn't seem likely. Not sure whether that means there is anything to the didgeridoo idea, but the argument does not seem to make sense to me.

Visitor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:53 am

Not sure about that argument. If so, everyone would have apnea. You could say that someone with good stomach muscles in a relaxed state would have the same bulge as someone without those muscles. Doesn't seem likely. Not sure whether that means there is anything to the didgeridoo idea, but the argument does not seem to make sense to me.

This includes a couple of bad assumptions. First, it is true that everyone's airway muscles (Indeed, all their muscles.) relax to some extent during sleep. Those that have a narrow airway, tend to have obstructive sleep apnea. Those that have a wide airway, tend to avoid obstructive sleep apnea.

The amount of airway muscle relaxation depends on the condition of the hypoglossal nerve. A hypoglossal nerve that has lesions from years of vibratory stores is less likely to maintain airway patency. No amount of muscle condition can overcome this. The muscles need that signal to travel from the brain along the hypoglossal nerve to the muscles themselves. Strengthening the airway muscles will not help.

Visitor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:53 am

You could say that someone with good stomach muscles in a relaxed state would have the same bulge as someone without those muscles.

That bulge you speak of is not dependent on the firmness of the stomach muscles. It's dependent on the percent body fat of the individual. Take two people with identical body fat percent of 25% for example. One has weak stomach muscles, the other has strong stomach muscles. With their muscles in a relaxed state, both will have the same "bulge". Any good personal trainer, will tell you it doesn't matter how much you work on your abs. You won't ever get a six-pack without lowering your overall body fat to a range of 6 to 13%. https://www.mensfitness.com/weight-loss ... r-your-abs

Visitor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:53 am

palerider wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:33 am

Mogy wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:19 am

To me, exercising the tongue and throat make sense.

It stops making sense when you consider that all you're doing is strengthening muscles... which are *already* strong enough to keep your airway open... until they relax. Which they're going to do, no matter how 'strong' they are.

Not sure about that argument. If so, everyone would have apnea.

That's a ridiculous statement. Not everyone has narrow throat geometry.

Visitor wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:53 am

You could say that someone with good stomach muscles in a relaxed state would have the same bulge as someone without those muscles. Doesn't seem likely. Not sure whether that means there is anything to the didgeridoo idea, but the argument does not seem to make sense to me.

It doesn't matter how strong a muscle is, when it's relaxed.

Haha, ok I stand corrected.

Hi Visitor,
I think you are accepting his point of view too easily.
Are you searching for a cure for your sleep apnea?
If you are, your in the same boat as me. Depending on the severity of your sleep apnea and how much you are willing to do, there is quite possibly a cure for you.
Exercising the tongue and throat is part of the solution in my opinion. It is not about strengthening the muscles, it is more about 'tone'. A muscle that is used for stability can still be in a state of partial contraction when a person is totally relaxed. A younger muscle retains it's tone more readily than an old one.
I was diagnosed a little over a year ago with moderate OSA, an AHI of 19.5. Over the last year I have been able to get my AHI down to about 5. Playing the didgeridoo has been part of my program, but probably a small part of my results. I am not sure how much it has contributed.

Mogy wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:07 pm

Over the last year I have been able to get my AHI down to about 5.

How do you know?

I recently got a requisition for a HST. I used an Resmed ApneaLink. My results for one of the nights.
I seem to be have problems posting an image from my phone.
I posted an update on Apneaboard.

http://www.apneaboard.com/forums/Thread ... nea?page=4

so....this strengthens the throat muscle...? when I sleep, they relax anyway. How would that thing work?