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Jaylee wrote:

brain_cloud wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:Cloudy, if you are going to put us to work, why don't you tell us which medication and which side effects you are concerned about and "the team" will work on that, rather than you assuming that a different side effect of a different medication generalizes? ...unless you've already done this and not found anything.

Excellent suggestion, despite the implicit grumbling. The team may expect it shortly. I cannot speak ex cathedra from my Evo, but must be situated at my trusty PC.

He is always bragging about that Smartphone.

Being overly late to the gadget world, I naturally exhibit the ardent enthusiasm of the newly converted. And goodnight to you, Ms. Vice President.

brain_cloud wrote:And goodnight to you, Ms. Vice President.

Shouldn't your right-hand woman take a little more active role in The Mission?

SleepingUgly wrote:

brain_cloud wrote:So I guess we could say the mission for the team, should they choose to accept it, is to determine whether and which deviations of normal sleep, caused by Antidepressant medications, would tend to persist (or emerge) in a normal, non-depressed, human (or cat), after twelve weeks of continuous use, say.

now you're proposing that instead of searching specifically for information that is relevant to our dear friend, Cloudy, and his specific side effects, we instead search generally for the many ways in which antidepressants, of which there are several classes, alter sleep in samples that don't generally take antidepressants, and whether these side effects, which may or may not be relevant to our friend, persist or not?!

Yes, that's right. But I suspect the answer will not be in the nature of random table or Chinese menu, but will rather possess a sort of thematic unity.

I think I need a drink.

If it improves your mad research skillz, I could even hook you up with a purveyor of potions of an exotic mind-bending nature. Kid Charlemagne is his name. Pass the pork fried rice.

I am pretty sure that my job as right hand woman is to look cute, distract the masses during times when Dr. Cloudy is being mean to old people and to accept gifts and compliments.

Oh, and to stay up way past my bedtime.

I let Dr. Cloudy handle the boring stuff.

Jaylee wrote:I am pretty sure that my job as right hand woman is to look cute, distract the masses during times when Dr. Cloudy is being mean to old people and to accept gifts and compliments.

Cool! ...Now Cloudy has an Evo and an Evita.



P.S .Evolved, evocative, but evitable in the evening---you two.

SleepingUgly wrote: Is 4cm of pressure therapeutic to any degree or is it tantamount to no CPAP therapy?

Muffy, I'm guessing that 4cm is not therapeutically the same as 0cm in many cases... Yet I also suspect 4cm can yield no discernible therapeutic gains in cases of severe or perhaps even moderate OSA.

-SWS wrote:If he knew the answer, he'd give it to Cloudy.

I think the fence is looking GREAT!

Tom

brain_cloud wrote:To be fair, it is only his hideous and repugnant arms that I suspect of being lice-ridden and thick with coarse hair, indistinguishable from an Albanian grandmother's moustaches.

You look like Charlie Brown.

NotMuffy wrote: I think the fence is looking GREAT!

That humorous reply means significant outstanding work must be performed to arrive at Cloudy's answer. And that, in turn, implies that the answer Cloudy wishes for everyone to collectively discover may not BE in the vast archives of science literature...

If the answer was an easy find for readers who are generally inclined to search-and-post, they would have provided that answer by now.

brain_cloud wrote:To be fair, it is only his hideous and repugnant arms that I suspect of being lice-ridden and thick with coarse hair, indistinguishable from an Albanian grandmother's moustaches.

Well, you're never going to get a fence painted THAT way, Cloudy. But to be fair, Albanian grandmother mustache metaphors are a compliment in at least one culture----although I can't remember WHICH culture that is off the top of my head.

Oh... Now I remember! It's a compliment among the pilose Albanian grandmother subculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3QNWyjRQg

-SWS wrote:

brain_cloud wrote:To be fair, it is only his hideous and repugnant arms that I suspect of being lice-ridden and thick with coarse hair, indistinguishable from an Albanian grandmother's moustaches.

Well, you're never going to get a fence painted THAT way, Cloudy. But to be fair, Albanian grandmother mustache metaphors are a compliment in at least one culture----although I can't remember WHICH culture that is off the top of my head.

Oh... Now I remember! It's a compliment among the pilose Albanian grandmother subculture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3QNWyjRQg

Muffy and I have a mode of relatedness called "flipping each other shit", which is nearly tantamount to friendship in "guy"-circles (I'm told). Were I to stop the normal interaction, he would immediately smell a rat and become suspicious. So just play it cool.

Ah yes... the "guy subculture"!

...What was I thinking? Sometimes my five Albanian grandmothers---three of whom are pilose---throw off my subcultural awareness. Okay, I gotta go shave...

-SWS wrote:

NotMuffy wrote: I think the fence is looking GREAT!

That humorous reply means significant outstanding work must be performed to arrive at Cloudy's answer. And that, in turn, implies that the answer Cloudy wishes for everyone to collectively discover may not BE in the vast archives of science literature...

If the answer was an easy find for readers who are generally inclined to search-and-post, they would have provided that answer by now.

Remember, dear searchers, the optimal study would be one which:

1 Followed a group of normal human beings
2 Who were induced or persuaded to take an antidepressant
3 Long term--at least 4 months, but I prefer a year
4 PSG'd them at regular intervals

Second best (since satisfying 1&2 above is probably hard, but what are prisoners for if not this sort of thing), would be to replace 1 with

1a Followed a group of depressed human beings, or
1b Followed a group of normal cats, or
1c Followed a group of depressed cats.

How could this not already be done? Prize will be awarded to best match to the desired criteria.

brain_cloud wrote: Remember, dear searchers, the optimal study would be one which:

1 Followed a group of normal human beings
2 Who were induced or persuaded to take an antidepressant
3 Long term--at least 4 months, but I prefer a year
4 PSG'd them at regular intervals

Cloudy, I hope you're keeping up with your PSGs. Wouldn't want to lose our only subject.

SleepingUgly wrote:

brain_cloud wrote: Remember, dear searchers, the optimal study would be one which:

1 Followed a group of normal human beings
2 Who were induced or persuaded to take an antidepressant
3 Long term--at least 4 months, but I prefer a year
4 PSG'd them at regular intervals

Cloudy, I hope you're keeping up with your PSGs. Wouldn't want to lose our only subject.