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chopper999 wrote:
{I just completed the 5 day course and I am not currently using a cpap machine}

See my previous posts for links on this thread or first post on this thread or check out the intro video below you can skip to the 1:35.00 on the time marker of the video to hear about sleep apnoea and coming off cpap the safe way.


http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=36

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

A good review of the scam called Buteyko Breathing Technique has been done by Science-Based Medicine at http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550.

There is not one shred of evidence that it will treat obstructive sleep apnea.

Chopper is a spammer.

Or, alternatively you could take chopper's post for what it is: advocacy for pseudo-scientific junk that has failed repeatedly to demonstrate any degree of efficacy in scientific, controlled studies. That might be more practical.

Hey, chopper; just let us know where to send the flowers. . .

roster wrote:

chopper999 wrote:
{I just completed the 5 day course and I am not currently using a cpap machine}

See my previous posts for links on this thread or first post on this thread or check out the intro video below you can skip to the 1:35.00 on the time marker of the video to hear about sleep apnoea and coming off cpap the safe way.


http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=36

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

A good review of the scam called Buteyko Breathing Technique has been done by Science-Based Medicine at http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2550.

There is not one shred of evidence that it will treat obstructive sleep apnea.

Chopper is a spammer.

G'day Cock a doodle do - thats just 1 man's opinion and ya know what they say about opinions lol -

So what you are saying to me is that everyone in the Butekyo classroom in the video here -

http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=36 -

and all the smiling people that were in my Butekyo class last month that were coming off their cpap machine safely that was just an Illusion ha ha ha - as the teacher promises the class aroundabout the 1:39 time mark on the video - if you wanna stop using your cpap you have come to the right place and if we can't do it or help you you can have your money back.

Otherwise Cock a doodle do - you are saying that the teacher in the video is a conman,cheat,lair,fraud ect ect - but have you thought about one thing cock a doodle doo in your statement Quote - { There is not one shred of evidence that it will treat obstructive sleep apnea. }

if that is the case this teacher he just spends his life travelling around the country knowing for a FACT he can never help anyone { 2 years training down the tube } but he just likes to hold 5 day seminars FOR KICKS and afterwards give everyone their money backcause what he is teaching does not have a snow balls chance in hell of working lol

Not to mention the fact that he stays in contact with his customers for 12 months and also if there are follow up sleep studies done {Suggested in class listen to the video } to confirm a person { AHI/RAI Scale } at a later date what more proof does a person need NONE NONE NONE !!!!!! - They are FREE and oh how you hate that lol

See Australian Client Testimonials here -

http://www.buteykohealth.com.au/index.p ... &Itemid=38

You call me a spammer { Feeling a bit frustrated are we ? } but the truth of the matter is you just don't like it brother because there is something else out there. lol

Sleep Log 17th day - 9.5 hours sleep – woke up like yesterday – No brain fog – no tiredness or exhaustion – no headaches - got up once to go to toilet during night - woke up a couple of times to change position - no choking - no suffocating or anxious feelings upon awakening - no gasping for air through the night.

Have a great day I know I will Chopper.

steamfan wrote:Or, alternatively you could take chopper's post for what it is: advocacy for pseudo-scientific junk that has failed repeatedly to demonstrate any degree of efficacy in scientific, controlled studies. That might be more practical.

Oh it's so simple isn't it - the formula - You've had enough of your cpap machine or you are looking for an alternative - Do the 5 day Butekyo course - have another sleep study done - get your { AHI/RAI Scale }

You then have your answer as proved by science.

Have a great day I know I will Chopper.

chunkyfrog wrote:Hey, chopper; just let us know where to send the flowers. . .

Hey Kermit - I be around for years just to let other people know about Butekyo - lol .

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

Yes, I am saying that.

This web site contains a summary of the claims made by Buteyko practitioners regarding treating OSA ( Obstructive Sleep Apnea).

http://www.asthmacare.us/ac_blog/?p=480

Note carefully that the independent references cited for supporting the claims are in fact all releated to CSA (Central Sleep Apnea), NOT OSA

billbolton wrote:This web site contains a summary of the claims made by Buteyko practitioners regarding treating OSA ( Obstructive Sleep Apnea).

http://www.asthmacare.us/ac_blog/?p=480

Note carefully that the independent references cited for supporting the claims are in fact all releated to CSA (Central Sleep Apnea), NOT OSA

Hey Bill - thanks for posting how Butekyo works you did me a favour -

The research by Naughton (see ref. in Why apnea occurs section above) shows that the mechanism by which CPAP improves apnea is by raising the pressure in the airways, which reduces the breathing volume (reduces hyperventilation) and increases the CO2 level above the threshold for apnea and keeps it there whilst the machine is applied.

The Buteyko breathing technique aims to teach you to do this for yourself by correcting the hyperventilation breathing pattern that is associated with snoring and apnea. You retrain your breathing when you are awake, reducing your breathing volume, increasing the airway CO2 towards normal, which can prevent apnea and results in quieter breathing. Oxygenation is improved. Practice of the breathing exercises can effect a resetting of the automatic respiratory drive to the correct rate. This carries over into the sleep stage.
By using the Buteyko exercises, people commonly report reduced nasal blockage, snoring and sleep apnea within a few days. Weight normalization is commonly experienced. Improved oxygenation reduces fatigue and daytime drowsiness. The cardiovascular system benefits. Improvements in exercise capacity and resting and performance heart rate are reported. Heart rate recovery post exercise is enhanced.

Why apnea occurs

In conventional medicine sleep apnea is still misunderstood for a large part.

According to Professor Buteyko’s theory , hyperventilation is considered to be the fundamental cause of OSA. He argues that apneas or pauses in breathing are the body’s defense mechanism against the excessive loss of carbon dioxide due to hyperventilation and consequent hypoxia (lack of oxygen).

Buteyko, Naughton and Javaheri* have shown that sleep apnea happens subsequent to over-breathing. Heavy breathing and snoring is associated with a drop in airway carbon dioxide levels. If the CO2 concentration goes below a critical level, the “apneic threshold”, apnea occurs. Breathing stops temporarily due to this dangerous imbalance in blood gases. In some cases this is accompanied by collapsing of the airway. These processes allow the CO2 levels to return to normal. Then breathing recommences usually with a snort, sigh or sharp intake of breath. Both the lack of oxygen during the apnea and the inhibition of oxygenation during the hyperventilation, (Bohr effect) can lead to hypoxia. Prolonged periods of hyperventilation may result in severe tiredness and exhaustion and can lead to temporary paralysis of muscles in different parts of the body, including throat musculature. Poorly oxygenated tissues lack tone.



p.s. The formula - You've had enough of your cpap machine or you are looking for an alternative - Do the 5 day Butekyo course - have another sleep study done - get your { AHI/RAI Scale }

You then have your answer as proved by science.

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

If we can type on the computer system, powered by the municipal lighting system, put in place by our political system, all within the confines of one neatly orbiting solar system, then a Buteyko belief system surely seems the next logical step...

Heading for the trusty CPAP system... Have a good night all!

Sleep Log 18th day - 10.5 hours sleep – woke up like yesterday – No brain fog – no tiredness or exhaustion – no headaches - got up twice to go to toilet during night - woke up a couple of times to change position - no choking or swallowing of tongue during night - no gasping for air through the night - no collapsing of wind pipes during the night - no suffocating or anxious feelings upon awakening.

My my - a mere 18 days ago I had all these above symptoms and my life was a living HELL and now I appear to have NONE Amen!!!


Have a great day I know I will Chopper.

The previous message brought to you by the Buteyko belief system!

Have a GREAT Buteyko day!

-SWS wrote:The previous message brought to you by the Buteyko belief system!

Have a GREAT Buteyko day!

Ha great brother in zen - { hands clasped together and bowing in reverence } you too have a GREAT Buteyko day { More head bowing }

p.s. May your garden always be full of lotus flowers - have a great Buteyko day I know I will - Chopper.

I thought that waking up to roll over or change position every night was normal, until I went on the CPAP. Now that I am on the hose, I do not wake up for any of these. As a matter of fact, I tend to wake up in the same position in which I fell asleep in. Not saying that what you are doing isn't working, but if your brain is waking you up to make you move, maybe that is because you have stopped breathing or have a decreased air flow and it needs more O2. Just a thought.

ched03 wrote:I thought that waking up to roll over or change position every night was normal, until I went on the CPAP. Now that I am on the hose, I do not wake up for any of these. As a matter of fact, I tend to wake up in the same position in which I fell asleep in. Not saying that what you are doing isn't working, but if your brain is waking you up to make you move, maybe that is because you have stopped breathing or have a decreased air flow and it needs more O2. Just a thought.

G'day ched03 - you could be right / you could be wrong - but if my breathing is stopping during the night or if I am having a decreased air flow as you suggest - I sure as hell don't feel like it in the morning when I wake up - I feel great in the morning and nothing like I did 18 days ago before I started my Butekyo course - 18 days ago I was suffering all the symptoms I mentioned in my previous posts -

i.e.

Brain fog –

Tiredness or Exhaustion in morning no matter how long I slept –

Headaches in morning

Choking and swallowing of tongue during night

Collasping of airways during the night resulting in waking up with heart pounding out of chest and terrified feelings of suffocation and extreme anxiety dreading going back to sleep.

Waking up gasping for air many mnay times through the night

Suffocating nightmares or anxious feelings upon awakening many times through the night.

As mentioned before all these horrible symptoms have disappeared while practising my Butekyo exercises thank GOD!

I will be having another sleep study done to confirm my AHI/RAI Scale in the near future but thanks anyway for your kindness and concern.

Have a great day I know I will - Chopper.

p.s. That's why there is a smile after my name now - because I am smiling again - been a long time since I felt like doing that.