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Muffy? Rested Gal? Would you like the honour? Just one wafer-thin slice Madame...

blizzardboy wrote:...I don't want to have the ill-defined problem that requires a well-managed, multi-pronged treatment regime including exotic massages, bleeding-edge drugs, sensual massages, ADMs, gentle massages and hours of mind-stretching CBT. Am I really going to end up with a diagnosis of UARS and FM to explain to my work colleagues and try to convince my GP about? Forced to dabble in acupuncture, touchy-feely massages, meditation in a pyramid, and consumption of foods that might as well have been extracted from a worm farm? Get me that PFT...now!

Not to mention the aluminum foil pyramid hat to protect against alien xrays!

kteague wrote:At the risk of confirming what may have previously been only suspected - I'm as lost as a ball in high weeds. Is a K-complex caused by those sensations I described leading to a movement? Are you saying the sensations I described are a known phenomenon? Can one see a K-complex indicating a PLM is impending then see an arousal, yet the arousal not be counted with LM arousals as it was too far in advance of a movement? Can an arousal interfere with the onset of a movement? Cause if so, theoretically one could have arousals related to their PLM's but never attributed to them.

I'm sorry, I digress. Back to BB - I don't think I'm gonna be able to get my brain around the technical aspects of BB's case, but I do have a bottom line question. Is there anything in BB's recordings that could correlate with the pre PLM sensations I described or are his findings unequivocally unrelated to his PLM's in any way?

Did I miss the answers?

kteague wrote:Did I miss the answers?

Hi KT, I am pretty sure an answer has not emerged so far. Be nice to know though, wouldn't it? Cheers,

blizzardboy wrote:I can tell you that my joint pain seems to be shaping to something that resembles that associated with FM. I don't like to admit this because I don't want to have a poorly-understood disorder.

I'm typing with a splint on my wrist. My knees suddenly hurt and last month was the 3 year anniversary of my feet hurting continually. My EDS has been misdiagnosed since my first sleep study 19 years ago. So my view is that any correct diagnosis, even poorly understood, is better than no diagnosis or an incorrect one.

Let's try some CBT right now:

I just want a meat-and-veg type of problem that is fixed with a not-tested-on-fuzzy-animals-guaranteed-not-to-have-nasty-side-effects-over-the-counter medication, or with an easy-to-buy-setup-and-use device such as an ASV. Tada...problem solved. I don't want to have the ill-defined problem that requires a well-managed, multi-pronged treatment regime including exotic massages, bleeding-edge drugs, ADMs and hours of mind-stretching CBT.

How are these thoughts making you feel? Cruddy, huh? OK, let's change them to: "I would prefer not to have these problems. But if I do have these problems, I can handle it, even if the solutions are not so straight-forward or immediately forthcoming. I have handled a lot of tough things in my life and I can handle this too." How ya' feeling now?

Now this one:

I don't want to have the ill-defined problem that requires a well-managed, multi-pronged treatment regime including exotic massages, bleeding-edge drugs, ADMs and hours of mind-stretching CBT. Am I really going to end up with a diagnosis of UARS and FM to explain to my work colleagues and try to convince my GP about? Forced to dabble in acupuncture, touchy-feely massages, meditation in a pyramid, and consumption of foods that might as well have been extracted from a worm farm? Get me that PFT...now!

Restated: "Somehow UARS and FM don't feel to me like legitimate diagnoses. I would rather have something more serious to justify the extent of my symptoms, with serious medical equipment needed to treat it. I don't want diagnoses like depression, anxiety, fibromyalgia, and other ones that others won't take seriously."

Counter: "This is not entirely rational. Are these disorders really not legitimate ones? Is it true that there are only touchy-feely therapies for these disorders or is it possible that science has more to offer than just worm farm extract?"

Feel better??

P.S. Mother loves me more than she loves you. She just doesn't know how to show it because she just loves me soooo much that it's overwhelming for her. Nah nah nah nah nah nah!

We did it! Now what?

SleepingUgly wrote:Let's try some CBT right now:...P.S. Mother loves me more than she loves you. She just doesn't know how to show it because she just loves me soooo much that it's overwhelming for her. Nah nah nah nah nah nah!

Mother is very neurotic about her sleep hygiene.

I'll be here waiting tomorrow, Mother!

Rebecca R wrote:We did it! Now what?

I don't know. This is very anticlimactic.

SleepingUgly wrote:

Rebecca R wrote:We did it! Now what?

I don't know. This is very anticlimactic.

Just do what you normally do after a climax...sleep, after all:

SleepingUgly wrote:Mother is very neurotic about her sleep hygiene.

blizzardboy wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:

Rebecca R wrote:We did it! Now what?

I don't know. This is very anticlimactic.

Just do what you normally do after a climax...sleep.

I was going to suggest that since it's your thread, you should say a few words, since you've made forum history. You know, something meaningful.

blizzardboy wrote:...do what you normally do after a climax...sleep, after all...

Ah, the French call it the little death

blizzardboy wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:This is very anticlimactic.

Just do what you normally do after a climax...sleep.

Yes, but this was ANTI-climactic. If only I had one of those vibrating face masks:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=52005&p=479686&hili ... sk#p479686

Instead all I have is a mask that does push-ups on my face with each breath I take.

Rebecca R wrote:I was going to suggest that since it's your thread, you should say a few words, since you've made forum history. You know, something meaningful.

Ladies and gentlemen. Lend me your ears. Today we have witnessed a great moment in history, one that will take a place of honour in the an(n)als of great moments (in time). Remember that generations to come will build on the foundation of our toil, guided toward the light as ships passing stormy seas with firm resolve to stay afloat. You were here to partake in this sacred event. Hold your head high knowing that, regardless of your insurance excess, you participated in building the MOAT. Hail Caesar! God bless the Queen! Sacrifices to the Asteroid God!

blizzardboy wrote:Ladies and gentlemen. Lend me your ears. Today we have witnessed a great moment in history, one that will take a place of honour in the an(n)als of great moments (in time). Remember that generations to come will build on the foundation of our toil, guided toward the light as ships passing stormy seas with firm resolve to stay afloat. You were here to partake in this sacred event. Hold your head high knowing that, regardless of your insurance excess, you participated in building the MOAT. Hail Caesar! God bless the Queen! Sacrifices to the Asteroid God!

<applause> Many of us have greatly benefited from your thread, blizzardboy. I for one am happily heading off for a therapeutic....

CRY:


Plus a...

HUG:



And, of course, I have been officially RX'ed a....

MEDICINAL MASSAGE:


Thank you, blizzardboy... Thank you wonderful Internet advisers... What a feel-good thread.