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Hawthorne wrote: When I lie down for a nap, I don't go through the whole night time ritual. I just pop on the mask and lie down. I even take the smart card out so as not to mess up my night time data.

Same with me. Put mask on, and nap. None of the nighttime ritual.

I never nap without the cpap.

O.

rise&shiner wrote:

I think everyone is in agreement wearing a mask at anytime closing ones eyes is better than napping nude (maskless)

Gee, I guess I must be one of those invisible beings that are not included when one thinks of everyone.

I love these posts about using an oximeter whilst napping. You get to find out who actually read and understood what was being said, and those who, for some unknown reason, chose to pretend that my reality does not exist.

And now we have gone even further - I do not exist. Nor does anyone who has understood that napping as I descibe it is safe.

Is this the highest form of insult, or should I take it as a compliment that my facts are unassailable, and therefore must be ignored as they cannot be honestly or rationally disparaged.

It really doesn't matter, I am now used to these kind of ridiculous statements. I just hope they don't put off anyone who wants to try the luxury of an armchair nap without the machine, and in safety, without desaturation.

cheers

Mars

BrianR4743 wrote:Wanna nap? Use the PAP! Otherwise feel like cr#@!

Should be carved in stone...

I wouldn't contemplate any shut-eye without the lifeline.

mars wrote: and in safety, without desaturation.

Desat is not the ONLY danger related to apneas. For true "safety", you must minimize the apneas themselves...and not only be concerned with the desaturation they cause.

Red if you need cpap you need it any time you sleep, not just when the sun goes down. Their are certain things you do. I don't run into a burning building without a fire hose. Do you only put oil in your cars engine when your going on long trips?
When do you use your cpap?

Gerry

LinkC wrote: Desat is not the ONLY danger related to apneas. For true "safety", you must minimize the apneas themselves...and not only be concerned with the desaturation they cause.

What LinkC is saying is correct.

Consumer grade oximeters aren't fast enough to indicate the small timespans of desat's the happen anyhow. I talked at length about this with my doctor. I wore a pulse-ox for three nights and when I brought him the data he was UN-impressed. Basically dismissed it as not telling him anything. The only way to know for sure is a PSG.

I find that I don't really need naps anymore. But if I do want one, I use the mask. I have drifted off a time or two at school during a movie, but I try to tell the chickens to wake me up if I do, because I am scared to sleep without the mask.

If I lay down on the bed to nap I always use my mask....if I go to sleep in my recliner watching the idiot box no I'm sorry to admit.

Mars, I think its really an individual thing. For you, sleeping in a sitting position seems to avoid apneas. For me, I have sleep onset apneas with pronounced snores and snorts that actually wake me. I am very aware I have had a cessation of breathing, That reaction is what alerted me to my problem before I ever had a sleep study. If anyone can nap and awaken refreshed, they should go for it. I know I can't and will use pressurized air if I plan to nap. I still fall asleep watching TV and when I do, make my presence known with a snore concert.

Your not invisible, but your approach is not for everyone. We should run a poll on who owns an oximeter. I would guess it is a very small percentage of the people here; at least I kind of hope so.

mars wrote:

rise&shiner wrote:

I think everyone is in agreement wearing a mask at anytime closing ones eyes is better than napping nude (maskless)

Gee, I guess I must be one of those invisible beings that are not included when one thinks of everyone.

I love these posts about using an oximeter whilst napping. You get to find out who actually read and understood what was being said, and those who, for some unknown reason, chose to pretend that my reality does not exist.

And now we have gone even further - I do not exist. Nor does anyone who has understood that napping as I descibe it is safe.

Is this the highest form of insult, or should I take it as a compliment that my facts are unassailable, and therefore must be ignored as they cannot be honestly or rationally disparaged.

It really doesn't matter, I am now used to these kind of ridiculous statements. I just hope they don't put off anyone who wants to try the luxury of an armchair nap without the machine, and in safety, without desaturation.

cheers

Mars

WindFlyer wrote:
Consumer grade oximeters aren't fast enough to indicate the small timespans of desat's the happen anyhow. I talked at length about this with my doctor. I wore a pulse-ox for three nights and when I brought him the data he was UN-impressed. Basically dismissed it as not telling him anything. The only way to know for sure is a PSG.

I have a CMS-60D pulse oximeter. It reads my SpO2 in real time. When I set the alarm to go off at a particular threshold, it goes off as soon as it reached that point. In real time.

The above statement about consumer grade oximeters is not true for my oximeter, and I doubt that it is true for most other user oximeters that have an alarm. Wearing a pulse oximeter for 3 nights proves nothing about the efficacy of the alarm system, but what the doctor says about the oximeter results sure indicates something is going wrong somewhere.

LinkC wrote:
Desat is not the ONLY danger related to apneas. For true "safety", you must minimize the apneas themselves...and not only be concerned with the desaturation they cause.

I will be looking into this, as I trust Link-C not to be a spoiler. More details of how apneas that do not cause desaturation are harmful would be helpful, given that up to 5 per hour in normal people, possibly causing desaturation, are not considered harmful by the medical profession.

Sleeprider wrote:

Mars, I think its really an individual thing. For you, sleeping in a sitting position seems to avoid apneas.
............................, but your approach is not for everyone. (End Quote)

I am also taking this post on board, as exploring what is said may give me some insight into why I have such good outcome's with my naps.

So I am thinking about getting back to my Sleep Doctor and checking all this out with him. Looking further at my sleep study report. And I am also thinking of having a nap with the recorder function operating, and the alarm turned off, and also a full nights sleep, without the machine, but with the oximeter recording.

Nobody is more determined than me to put this oximeter stuff to rest. This and the No-Nap device has been like a baptism of fire on this Forum. And both posts were intended to just be one-off information posts for those who were interested.

So using the leads that Link-C and SleepRider have given me, I am going to do some more personal research, get more factual information, make a final post, and then hopefully put all this distraction behind me - for good!

I will not be posting on this thread again, or about the oximeter protected naps, until I have sorted this out.

cheers

Mars

Mars - that's probably a good plan.

If this way of napping works for you, that's fine but I would not nap without my cpap.

I think you need more hard facts (other than your personal experience) if you want to keep trying to persuade people on this forum to try it.

I'm sorry you feel your position has been ignored. I don't believe it has really been ignored. I think most people read it, thought about and have opted not to do it. That's what I did. I did not ignore you suggestion.

Without more hard facts, from medical sources, most of us will not do it.

That does not mean you are invisible or are being ignored. You stated your experience, in a separate thread and some people commented. The majority would not do as you do for naps.

You put it out there on the forum. That's all that should happen. People will come to their own conclusions about it.

In your research, why don't you ask Dr Park what he thinks about it.

Just my thoughts.

Always nap with the pap.

Mars,

I have read your comments on this issue, and I think that you may have some valid points about what works for you.

For me, it's more trouble to set up the oximeter than it is to pull on my mask, since the only place I nap is in bed. (Well, and in front of my computer if I've had a bad night for reasons other than my xPAP therapy. But if I find myself dozing at the computer, I go lie down and pull my mask on.)

I have muscle spasm issues which make napping in a chair -- easy chair or otherwise -- downright painful. So I have no desire to find a way to nap sitting up as you do. I don't watch television, and I lie down to read. I can put on my mask and push it up out of the way of my glasses, and if I'm getting sleepy, I pull off my glasses, snap on the machine, and pull my mask into place.

It isn't that I think you're invisible, and it isn't that I think your comments are without merit. It's just that for me, personally, your method won't work.

LinkC wrote:

mars wrote: and in safety, without desaturation.

Desat is not the ONLY danger related to apneas. For true "safety", you must minimize the apneas themselves...and not only be concerned with the desaturation they cause.

If I am not having apneas in my position in the recliner, which appears to be the case, then I guess there is no danger.

Postby rise&shiner on 03 Jan 2010, 00:42

I think everyone is in agreement wearing a mask at anytime closing ones eyes is better than napping nude (maskless)

Above underlines added by me

My remark about being invisible was referring to the above post. But we were at the end of the page and another post got inbetween. Many members have been very supportive about this, and sharing their own experience, so I was not saying I was invisible to anyone else. Just one of those things that can happen on a forum.

Postby Sleeprider on 04 Jan 2010, 02:16

Mars, I think its really an individual thing. For you, sleeping in a sitting position seems to avoid apneas.

This was the post that got through my still present brain-fog.

What I experience is an individual thing, and the phrase "positional sleep apnea" had not really penetrated and been understood in a personal way, although I knew certain positions produced more apneas. The corollary to that is that certain positions produce less or no apneas. My final check will be with my Sleep Doctor when I see him.

My oximeter now rarely goes off, and I can nap (in my recliner, back nearly upright) waking up refreshed. Whether others want to try this or not is entirely up to them. I guess that many of us have had experiences that says it will not work for them.

As I have said before. I am not in the business of trying to sell this idea. All I originally did was share it, and then I got abused and ridiculed. So I responded.

Anyhow, my experience is out there plainly for all to see, my hope was that possibly some others would benefit.

Isn't that why we post?

(sorry, I forgot some of us are training to be politicians)

cheers

Mars