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cflame1, We may find US Citizens crossing the boarder into Canada some day for other than draft dodging. Won't that be a hoot? What you describe would probably be the best case scenario but how in the world does it get paid?

kittystar, Exactly! Seems I recall promises that this would be the most transparent administration and bill will be posted on the web 5 days before voted upon, and the President will read every page of every bill before signing. Don't hear much about that from the "main stream" media do you?

rooster wrote: Why does something this massive have to be done in such a short time?

Because Americans are quickly waking up to the agenda and the Obamination only has 3 1/2 years to to turn us into good little socialists.

OldLincoln wrote:cflame1, We may find US Citizens crossing the boarder into Canada some day for other than draft dodging. Won't that be a hoot? What you describe would probably be the best case scenario but how in the world does it get paid?

kittystar, Exactly! Seems I recall promises that this would be the most transparent administration and bill will be posted on the web 5 days before voted upon, and the President will read every page of every bill before signing. Don't hear much about that from the "main stream" media do you?

Yeah OL. It would be.

Seniors are one thing. Everybody else is another. Everybody else generally has secondary coverage. My sister's an asthmatic up there. When she went from working outside the home to taking in kids, she went from secondary coverage (thru employment) to Blue Cross. Because her asthma was a pre-existing condition, her meds weren't covered for a time.

How does the original coverage get paid... sorry never looked into that, but I'd have to guess that it comes from the government, never see a bill on it.

The senior stuff is considered to be part of their Canada Pension.

No it is not. There is a separate entity for medication and it is not deducted from our pensions (I just became a senior and the Pharmacare program was presented to me entirely on its own). And the 'original coverage' is paid by the provincial agencies set up to process it. As I said in my earlier note, the doctor sees the patient, submits his bill, and is then paid monthly for all services. It's not rocket science, and the gov't is not involved at any level when it comes to individual patient care. The provincial agencies may question coverage for particular services, but those are very rare and usually have some kind of valid basis for being questioned. However, the patient has been taken care of up front.

U.S. Tort & Liability laws. We probably waste 1/3 of our health care spending running from lawyers. They'll run you through 30 tests, and every conceivable treatment -- just in case you are that 1 in 1000 who has a rare disease. I had a Russian ER doctor in one of my classes. He used to laugh at our system. He said he could diagnose & treat 5 patients for the cost & time U.S. doctors took to diagnose 1 patient.

When the lawyers are done chasing ambulances, they move on to schools. (Half of a typical public school budget goes to liability and the 1% "special needs" kids). I'm not suggesting that medical practitioners go unchecked, but politicians get elected promising "rights" they can't pay for. Our answer to every problem is another law. Remember the thread about the guy writing bogus CPAP scripts? Now you need one for a mask! Many of the posts here are about circumventing some rule a bureaucrat has put in place to protect you from yourself.

IF social medicine ever happens here, it will have to be government run. Only Congress can take away your "right to sue". (I will feel comforted when the medical system is run by the same folks who gave us the IRS tax codes .) If no one has been able to get a simple flat income tax passed, I don't see much hope for an equitable, economical health care system.

Rant over, returning to status quo...

Good one Lou!