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Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:33 pm
by FreemasonCyclist
dsm wrote:This is turning into a gallery of eccentric cycles

What it is like riding the horizontal cycle up a steep hill ?, I would imagine visibility might be a problem ?

DSM
Actually visibility is better then on a diamond frame bike. On a road bike, or even a hybred it is more difficult to tip your head back enough to easily view things, climbing up a hill it is nearly impossible. You are leaning forward on your arms with your head looking down then when on a flat and it is not aligned with your upper body. When a perosn on a diamond frame bike has to look up to see something they have to strain to do so, which has and can cause soreness and maybe even injury. This was one of the many reasons I stopped riding my road bike over 7 years ago in favor of my Vision. On a recumbent your head is always aligned with your upper body and there is no strain on your neck. Because it is easier to look up and see what is in front of me visibilty is easier on a 'bent.

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:54 pm
by dsm
FMC

Thanks for the explanation. I have noticed that at times I tend to be looking at the road just in front of the bike & keep saying to myself, head up !.

For about 1 km of my ride to & from work, I ride on footpaths to keep off 2 streets that have heavy traffic. Naturally the concern is that one day someone will be coming out of their drive & so good visibility is especially important in that circumstance.

DSM

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:04 pm
by Linus
questions about recumbents and the battery and motor combination:
The recumbent does very well on flat roads. Climbing hills is a bit difficult until you get used to it. It is a very comfortable ride.

My bike with the electric motor above is set up as the following:
I have a 36 volt lithium iron phosphate battery. It is 20 Ah. The motor is a brushless 1000 w electric motor
I have been up to speeds of 76 km/h. I recommend staying well below that because high speeds on a bike are not safe. I usually stay at or below 50 km/h.
My range is indefinite since I can always pedal. If I use the motor for steep hills and getting up to speed in traffic only, and pedal for the rest of the time I can ride about 200 km before I need a new charge.

Running the bike like a moped limits the range to about 75-100 km or even less.

When I ride on level roads, the weight of the battery and the motor is not much of an issue. I only feel it when I ride up a steep hill without the aid of my motor.


CPAP stuff...When I ride long distances (commute to and from work) I get a very good nigh's sleep. My office is about 50 km from my house.

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:22 am
by t-bone
FreemasonCyclist wrote:
Is your "club ride" bike a Volae? How do you like the 26" wheels in both the front and rear? I prefer the 20" in the front and the 26" rear wheel. Also by the end of the week my Vision will be morphed into a Vision/Volae on account of replacing the seat and seat stays.
My "club ride" bike is a 2002 Bacchetta Strada I built from a frame kit. I like the dual 650c wheels quite well for what I do with this bike. My girlfriend now has a Bacchetta Giro 26 (with disc brakes) that she will be using as a commuter/club ride bike.

I had a RANS V-Rex before the Strada, and while I like the 20" front wheel for urban riding, I prefer the larger wheel on the open road.

And, yes, as Carbon_man said, it matters less what you ride than that you ride.

LCI #1852

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:10 am
by FreemasonCyclist
t-bone wrote:
FreemasonCyclist wrote:
Is your "club ride" bike a Volae? How do you like the 26" wheels in both the front and rear? I prefer the 20" in the front and the 26" rear wheel. Also by the end of the week my Vision will be morphed into a Vision/Volae on account of replacing the seat and seat stays.
My "club ride" bike is a 2002 Bacchetta Strada I built from a frame kit. I like the dual 650c wheels quite well for what I do with this bike. My girlfriend now has a Bacchetta Giro 26 (with disc brakes) that she will be using as a commuter/club ride bike.

I had a RANS V-Rex before the Strada, and while I like the 20" front wheel for urban riding, I prefer the larger wheel on the open road.

And, yes, as Carbon_man said, it matters less what you ride than that you ride.

LCI #1852
You're right about it being less what you ride than that you ride. Prior to being diagnosed with OSA and getting my first CPAP I was tired for at least 3 years. My yearly mileage was dropping, a lot. From about 1992 to about 1996 I was riding about 2,000 miles a year. In 1996 I traded in my comfort bike for my first road bike, a TREK 470. Between 1996 and 2001 I was doing between 3,000 and 6,000 miles a year. Then I started feeling tired. My mileage dropped to less then 1,000 miles a year. I thought it was in part the bike, maybe it was. I felt sore all the time. I had felt sore before this, but it got much worse. I was also gaining weight. I traded the TREK for my Vision. Because of the cost I made myself ride and felt a little better but was at only about 1,000 miles a year. I finally did something about it and now use my CPAP and am back up to 1,500 to 3,000 miles a year, which I am happy with with all of the other things I am involved in.

I am in the Masonic Fraternity and a community and police dept. volunteer, spend time with my wife, plus I work 40 hours a week too. When I was riding 3,000 to 6,000 miles a year the only other thing I did was work and spend time with my wife. My CPAP made all of this possible.

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:21 am
by t-bone
I'm not getting much done at work today, so I'll play with this topic a bit.

I've been a bike guy all my life--my first job, at the age of fourteen, was as an apprentice bike mechanic. Even before that, I spent a LOT of time on two wheels. Mom (you folks know her as Catnapper) tells the story of how she watched me ride my little sidewalk bike with one training wheel dangling loose, and when it fell off she essentially refused to fix it as I clearly didn't need it.

Over the years, I'd probably been one of those hundred-mile-a-year guys, due to involvement in other things. In the early 1990s, though, I discovered recumbent bicycles. My mileage shot up to a thousand miles a year, while still doing lots of other stuff (including working at three jobs for a while).

Then I started working in a bike shop again. I was in a place such that it seemed normal to ride to work, instead of odd or quirky. The first year I was there, I rode a bit more than 3,000 miles, including my commuting. The second year, I started doing much more riding with the local bicycle club, and while my commuting miles dropped due to closer proximity of living quarters, my club miles made up the difference.

I typically ride in the range of 2500-3000 club miles per year, now. I'm active as a ride captain, and have this year stepped up to be the club VP/Education (I also have a League Cycling Instructor certificate).

Several years ago, as my mile counts were starting to increase, I had the sense that I was not getting enough oxygen while I rode. I thought about my dietary intake (not that I've ever really planned that before), and added some green stuff (broccoli, spinach...), and started fixing my breakfast in iron skillets rather than teflon-coated ones (potatoes fried in a drizzle of olive oil--yum), in hopes that getting a bit more iron in my blood would aid oxygen carrying ability of those neat little red cells.

It helped a little, probably more due to the better variety of food than anything else.

I'd heard of sleep apnea, and at least two prior sleep partners had mentioned that I would stop breathing at night, but had no idea what to do about it.

Then Mom was diagnosed as having apnea, got her machine, found this forum, and began her own struggle with finding the right combination of machine and mask(s). She, as moms are wont to do, insisted that I go get tested. I, in turn, got a machine and mask(s), and have had less struggle than many adapting to the therapy.

It's a bit hard to isolate CPAP's effect on my cycling, as there were several other large changes in my life at about the same time. However, given that it has had such positive effect on my ability to sleep, my ability to stay awake when I need to, and my overall energy level, it has to have helped me. Before starting CPAP, I had done the ride called RAIN (http://www.rainride.org) a couple times, with my best rolling average about 20.1 miles an hour for the 160 miles. The summer after starting CPAP, my average speed on RAIN was over 21 miles an hour!

Has it helped me ride better? Sure! I don't feel like I'm oxygen-deprived while I ride, even when I ride harder than I used to go. Now it's simply lack of training that keeps the muscles from performing as I'd like, and that is seasonal for me, even though I commute almost year-round (the commuting riding seems to not have any effect on my top speed or average speeds, as the commuting is done at relatively low power output, but when I look at the numbers things are better than I realize).

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:56 pm
by elader
Well that thing sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. How much would a rig like this cost? How long to recharge? i can imagine some crazy cool trips on that that rig.
Linus wrote:questions about recumbents and the battery and motor combination:
The recumbent does very well on flat roads. Climbing hills is a bit difficult until you get used to it. It is a very comfortable ride.

My bike with the electric motor above is set up as the following:
I have a 36 volt lithium iron phosphate battery. It is 20 Ah. The motor is a brushless 1000 w electric motor
I have been up to speeds of 76 km/h. I recommend staying well below that because high speeds on a bike are not safe. I usually stay at or below 50 km/h.
My range is indefinite since I can always pedal. If I use the motor for steep hills and getting up to speed in traffic only, and pedal for the rest of the time I can ride about 200 km before I need a new charge.

Running the bike like a moped limits the range to about 75-100 km or even less.

When I ride on level roads, the weight of the battery and the motor is not much of an issue. I only feel it when I ride up a steep hill without the aid of my motor.


CPAP stuff...When I ride long distances (commute to and from work) I get a very good nigh's sleep. My office is about 50 km from my house.

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:30 pm
by dsm
Well guys/gals,

I did my 1st gymnastics on my bike yesterday & lived to tell the tale.

Wet & slippery - using wrong tyres (as I now know) on my mountain bike. Should have had smooth ones but, whilst turning a very sharp corner & going very very slowly, the knobbly MB types just slid out & down I went. No worries, just hopped on & kept going BUT, 4 kms further on & doing about 50 kph came to where I normally go off the road onto a path but there was a jogger coming off the path. Slowed down to about 30 kph to let him clear then cut in behind him but was really on the wrong line to get easily on the narrow concrete path & overshot to the far side the path, front wheel dropped off the concrete & bike lurched, my instinct was to grab tight but this applied the front disk brake which locked the wheel & thus bike & I did a somersault

Ah well - climbed on bike - bloodies right knee & elbow & pain in the ribs. Had a slow day at work. Made it hoem ok but ribs really sore

The cycling guys at work all smiled & said 'join the club, which scars do you want to see first ?'

DSM

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:36 pm
by SheZAAM!
Dsm - The saying I always heard was, "Chicks dig scars!"

When my husband was mountain biking last year, his front tire got stuck between two rocks, thus sending him "Supermanning" over the handlebars. The result was 18 stitches over 2 layers, and now a fabulous, sexy scar!

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:46 pm
by dsm
SheZAAM! wrote:Dsm - The saying I always heard was, "Chicks dig scars!"

When my husband was mountain biking last year, his front tire got stuck between two rocks, thus sending him "Supermanning" over the handlebars. The result was 18 stitches over 2 layers, and now a fabulous, sexy scar!
Hmmmm, I got sexy nothing out of this just skin off my knees - ribs so sore & have to breathe slowly & no sign of a bruise let alone any sexy scars

I'll just have to wait awhile I guess

DSM

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm
by Linus
I hope you are okay!
Believe it or not, smooth tires have more grip on the road than knobby tires and they have less drag. There is more surface area to grip the roads, and less rolling resistance.
Another thing to watch out for is being doored (someone opens a car door in front of you) and the right hook (car turning to the right in front of you).

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:19 pm
by volkrt
Those welds on your frame were certainly unique .... I try to ride my bike whenever I can but still dont have the strength or energy to go very far...i'm happy that you do.....your so lucky imo.....happy riding

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:58 pm
by Insomniyak
Hi there,

I have always been an avid cyclist, but that took a back seat for almost 2 years when I had lots of problems sleeping and hence no energy. Been on CPAP for 8 months now, bought a nice bike back in September (a 03 Trek 5200 full Ultegra gruupo, flight deck computer, shimano spd pedals.) Joined a club (RABA.org). Been averaging 17 mph now and rode 530 miles this last month. I am doing a century on 5/2 and 5/9 and then a 130 mile century in June. None of this would be possible before I was on CPAP. This relatively simply therapy has given me my passion for cycling back and has given me more of the appreciation I get for my freedom on 2 wheels.

Oh yeah,

My bike
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Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:13 pm
by dsm
Linus wrote:I hope you are okay!
Believe it or not, smooth tires have more grip on the road than knobby tires and they have less drag. There is more surface area to grip the roads, and less rolling resistance.
Another thing to watch out for is being doored (someone opens a car door in front of you) and the right hook (car turning to the right in front of you).
Bought a set of road tyres yesterday plus 2 big boxes of over sized bandaids

DSM

Re: Cycling, CPAP and Sleep.

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:19 pm
by dsm
Insomniyak wrote:Hi there,

I have always been an avid cyclist, but that took a back seat for almost 2 years when I had lots of problems sleeping and hence no energy. Been on CPAP for 8 months now, bought a nice bike back in September (a 03 Trek 5200 full Ultegra gruupo, flight deck computer, shimano spd pedals.) Joined a club (RABA.org). Been averaging 17 mph now and rode 530 miles this last month. I am doing a century on 5/2 and 5/9 and then a 130 mile century in June. None of this would be possible before I was on CPAP. This relatively simply therapy has given me my passion for cycling back and has given me more of the appreciation I get for my freedom on 2 wheels.

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Isn't it great being able to get into exercise again & enjoy it as well as see it through.
I love that bike. Nice set-up, I settled for a less expensive mountain bike but had been looking at a rod bike with a very similar
Shimano config. Just obtained a pair of Cannondale riding shoes & double sided clip pedals. That helps riding greatly for me.

I am impressed at the distance you are taking on. I am just doing 17 kms each way between work & home but we have lots of 'nice' hills that don't spoil it & there are few cars on the roads & pathways available.

DSM