DO NOT BUY FROM CPAP.COM

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DO NOT BUY FROM CPAP.COM

Post by Krystal3001 » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:34 pm

I bought a nose mask and a chin strap from cpap.com and returned it with 7 days. It did not work for my face. I tried it for 5 nights and I just did not like it. When cpap.com received it they emailed me back this: "We have received the FlexiFit HC405 Nasal CPAP Mask with Headgear -All Sizes (S, L) Included and PURESOM Premier Style Chinstrap in ourfacilities. You stated that you would like to send both back for arefund, however, neither are eligible for return. The return insurancewas declined on the mask and the chinstrap has been opened. Pleaseadvise on how you would like us to proceed. We will hold the packagein our returns department until we hear back from you." I did not know anything about return insurance. Who has ever heard of return insurance. And how do you try out a chin strap without opening it. I want someone to tell me this. I would advise anyone not to try cpap.com. I have never heard of a company that will not allow products to be returned.........

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Post by ThomasMcKean » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:39 pm

Sorry to hear about that. I have only been here a very short time, but I can see clearly there is a very strong loyalty to cpap.com on this site. Be careful what yew say about them, as folks round here might take to hanging yew by your toenails and plucking your nose hairs out one by one.

Can't imagine anything more horrible than that...

On a more serious note, keep reading below this post. Odds are someone here will have an idea how to fix this. Or at least maybe explain to yew exactly what happened and why can't be returned. With the reputation cpap.com has here, there is likely a reasonable explanation.
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Post by Slinky » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:41 pm

Krystal, unfortunately you are just one unhappy buyer out of God knows how many happy, loyal buyers from cpap.com

If you read the page w/the info on the mask yoo bought there is a Mask Return Insurance option. Better you contacted Johnny or cpap.com direct than complain to a forum of loyal, grateful cpap.com fans.

Given the price of masks I can understand your being upset, but you must remember this IS medical equipment. Once past the first 30 days of starting CPAP therapy you wouldn't find many local DME suppliers who would exchange or accept a mask return either.

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Re: DO NOT BUY FROM CPAP.COM

Post by Georgio » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:44 pm

I think they do business that way to keep prices down. They can't sell used items, and can't afford to throw away half the masks they sell and refund the purchase cost.
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Post by ThomasMcKean » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:45 pm

Georgio wrote:I think they do business that way to keep prices down. They can't sell used items, and can't afford to throw away half the masks they sell and refund the purchase cost.
So if one buys a mask from cpap.com there is a final no return policy? ACK! Be sure yew know what fits yew before yew buy!
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Post by jnk » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:49 pm

. . . there is a very strong loyalty to cpap.com on this site. . . .
I am loyal to nobody but my God and my wife, but I try to give everyone else a fair shake. Misunderstandings happen. Anyone buying medical stuff online needs to understand the info explained on CPAP.com's site:
All CPAP Masks offered on CPAP.com are brand new. Nothing sold on our website has been used previously by another customer. Our policy protects your health and is prudent for companies who sell medical equipment.

Please be aware that the result of these policies is that we cannot accept returns on items that have been opened or used unless return insurance is purchased before your order is shipped. These policies are standard across online CPAP providers, but we are the only CPAP company that offers you a method of ensuring you can return your products.

Purchasing return insurance makes sense if you are trying out new masks, new sizes of your current mask or if you simply want the option of returning the mask for a refund. If you purchase this option, we will include a UPS ground return shipping label in your order. Should you wish to return your product, place it in a shipping box, affix the return label to the box and drop it off at any UPS package pickup location.

Please Note: Return insurance is available to all customers, however, return labels are only offered within the 50 United States. If return insurance is purchased by a customer living outside the 50 United States, all shipping costs involved are paid by the customer and the mask must be received back within the 30 day insurance time frame.

Returns Offered on Warranty Issues Only

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Post by ThomasMcKean » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:57 pm

That was looking rather sweet until the last line.

But I totally understand it.
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Post by jnk » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:02 pm

ThomasMcKean wrote:That was looking rather sweet until the last line.

But I totally understand it.
If I understand the intent of the last line, I believe it means that if you have NOT purchased mask insurance (which allows you to return the mask for whatever reason), returns are only accepted for warranty issues. I assume that is what is meant, anyway. Is that how you understand it, ThomasMcKean?

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Post by ThomasMcKean » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:06 pm

jnk wrote:If I understand the intent of the last line, I believe it means that if you have NOT purchased mask insurance (which allows you to return the mask for whatever reason), returns are only accepted for warranty issues. I assume that is what is meant, anyway. Is that how you understand it, ThomasMcKean?
No.

My understanding is the insurance only covers the warranty.

Hey guys fer cryin' out loud. I do have one name. Thomas. Not ThomasMcKean. I wanted to be "Thomas" on here but it was taken. I have yet to see any posts by him.
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Post by jnk » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:14 pm

ThomasMcKean wrote:
jnk wrote:If I understand the intent of the last line, I believe it means that if you have NOT purchased mask insurance (which allows you to return the mask for whatever reason), returns are only accepted for warranty issues. I assume that is what is meant, anyway. Is that how you understand it, ThomasMcKean?
No.

My understanding is the insurance only covers the warranty.

Hey guys fer cryin' out loud. I do have one name. Thomas. Not ThomasMcKean. I wanted to be "Thomas" on here but it was taken. I have yet to see any posts by him.
Then perhaps this page will expain it better then I was able to, Thomas:

https://www.cpap.com/returns.php :
"Return Insurance Policy--The spirit and intention of this policy is to allow CPAP users a more cost effective way to determine which CPAP equipment best meets their needs. . . . The purchase of return insurance allows the purchaser to return the item to CPAP.com within 30 days of the date we shipped the product to the purchaser for a full refund of the product's purchase price less shipping. . . . CPAP.com does not offer return insurance on all products. CPAP.com will honor all purchased return insurance options . . . Return insurance is designed to allow you to try out masks per manufacturer specifications and acceptable usage. . . . "
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Post by Wulfman » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 pm

Krystal3001 wrote:I bought a nose mask and a chin strap from cpap.com and returned it with 7 days. It did not work for my face. I tried it for 5 nights and I just did not like it. When cpap.com received it they emailed me back this: "We have received the FlexiFit HC405 Nasal CPAP Mask with Headgear -All Sizes (S, L) Included and PURESOM Premier Style Chinstrap in our facilities. You stated that you would like to send both back for a refund, however, neither are eligible for return. The return insurance was declined on the mask and the chinstrap has been opened. Please advise on how you would like us to proceed. We will hold the package in our returns department until we hear back from you." I did not know anything about return insurance. Who has ever heard of return insurance. And how do you try out a chin strap without opening it. I want someone to tell me this. I would advise anyone not to try cpap.com. I have never heard of a company that will not allow products to be returned.........
It's listed in two places on their front page under "Masks" subcategory "Return Insurance"

https://www.cpap.com/simple-find-cpap-p ... rance.html

.....and is also included in "Return Policy" with this link:

https://www.cpap.com/returns.php


A good many "brick & mortar" DME shops operate under the policy that if you take it out of the package, you've bought it.

That's why it's important for users to give a lot of thought and research to what KIND and BRAND/MODEL of mask they think they can use before thinking......"Oh, I think I'll try one of those.".

A less expensive way to obtain masks would be to purchase them through CPAPAUCTION.COM. That way, if they don't work out, you're not out as much money.


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Re: DO NOT BUY FROM CPAP.COM

Post by jules » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:19 pm

I believe every order I have made there, I have to agree that I have read and understand the return policy.

https://www.cpap.com/returns.php

Warranty issues would include a broken clip or frame in the first few days of use I expect ( perhaps 30 days - don't know). I had that happen with one mask before I even used it, and cpap.com sent me the replacement clips.

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Post by Babette » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Krystal3001 wrote:I did not know anything about return insurance. Who has ever heard of return insurance. And how do you try out a chin strap without opening it. I want someone to tell me this. I would advise anyone not to try cpap.com. I have never heard of a company that will not allow products to be returned.........
Wow. You ARE sleep deprived, aren't you? Their website clearly states all this.

Go elsewhere if you don't like it. You won't get much sympathy here, trust me.
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Post by roster » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:27 pm

Krystal3001 wrote:
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Krystal,
A better title for your post would be, "Understand the Returns Policy Before You Buy From Any Suppliers". This is very basic Consumer 101 stuff that applies to internet suppliers and brick-and-mortar suppliers. My kids understood this by the fifth grade.

I hope things go better for you from now on out,

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Re: DO NOT BUY FROM CPAP.COM

Post by Goofproof » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:33 pm

Krystal3001 wrote: I did not know anything about return insurance. Who has ever heard of return insurance. And how do you try out a chin strap without opening it. I want someone to tell me this. I would advise anyone not to try cpap.com. I have never heard of a company that will not allow products to be returned.........
Sounds like you have finally came out of your "Bubble" into the real world the rest of us have been in all our lives.

1. You didn't buy return INS on the mask, and your mad you can't return it. Out of Bubble!

2. Chin Strap, despite the fact it's been posted many times here that generally chin straps aren't the answer for most. The only thing I can think could be wrong with one is that it's too small for you head. I doubt if this is your problem.

3. It sounds like you sent it back USED, without getting it straight with CPAP.COM first, most businesses have a RMA process that must be followed, but then again in your world none of the rules apply.

If you don't know what you want, don't buy anything. Do everyone else that does that favor, don't expect them to pay higher prices, just because you want to live in a "Bubble"! Jim
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