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Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:32 pm
by jnk
DreamStalker wrote:I have not seen any love in this thread Jeff ... but feel free to write us a song about Oxygen if you wish.

btw - I went to an ELO concert way back in the late 70's
The tough-love is just below the gristle in this thread. But it was your post linking O2 with, uh, reproduction, that got the song going through my head.

The band was named Sweet. (But ELOs concert tour for "Time" was one of my all-time favorites.) The lyrics to the song fit the thread pretty well though:
. . . I've heard that pride
Always comes before a fall
There's a rumour goin' round the town
That you don't want me around . . .
. . . Some things are better left unsaid
I'm gonna spend my days in bed . . .
Love is like oxygen
You get too much you get too high
Not enough and you're gonna die . . .

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:00 pm
by Guest
ettilvry@aol.com wrote:CPAP...What a hoax...Invented by people who cannot tolerate snoring..I find the headgear to be intolerable at best, I can only sleep on my back,which I have never done.
I wear the STUPID headgear and lie awake until1:30 2:00 in the morning until my wife falls asleep,Then I take the STUPID THING off. She proclaims the "WONDERS" of the machine...that my snoring is "CURED" now go figure that>? I now get LESS sleep than I have had in years.... CAN SOMEONE RATIONAL EXPLAIN THIS???????? I am TIRED in more ways than one!!!!!! The Doctor says to "GIVE IT A CHANCE" But 5 Months in..... I HAVE MY DOUBTS!!!!!
What kind of machine are you selling??

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:03 pm
by Guest
Goofproof wrote:Either get help, after you swim to the shore, and climb out of De-Nile. Or other methods from http://www.ihatecpap.com/, not saying they work, but they can pass the time until your health get worse.

If you make up your mind to make XPAP work, (And it probably won't until you do) Sign-in fill in your profile (In text not ICONY), and if you are willing to make the effort to become proactive in your treatment, the good folks here will try to help. Jim
Been the mouthpiece route and while the snoring stopped the oxygen levels dropped as low as 70%.
I am one of those people who had to be fired by their sleep doctor before I fanally made up my mind to get serious about CPAP.

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:14 pm
by Songbird
Ettilvry, it sounds like you're doing this only for your wife. To please her? To stop her endless, uh, comments? It doesn't matter. I can practically guarantee that your feelings about all of this won't change unless you decide that you need to do this for yourself and then actually decide to do whatever it takes to be successful. You have to do this for your own good, not to please (or shut up) your wife.

As others have said, since you know you've been diagnosed with sleep apnea, your problem is not snoring; for you, snoring's a symptom of a life-threatening condition. So what is your problem? Not getting enough oxygen to your brain (actually, your entire system). Much of what's in this article (from http://www.sleepapneainfo.com/faq.php:) has already been said, but it bears repeating (highlighting is mine):
Research suggests that OSA is a major contributing factor in the development of hypertension, or high blood pressure. Data from a 2003 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, reveals that, "sleep-disordered breathing is likely to be a risk factor for hypertension and consequent cardiovascular morbidity in the general population." Although many patients with OSA have clear symptoms of hypertension, as many as 90 percent of cases are undiagnosed. In studies in which blood pressure was measured following treatment for obstructive sleep apnea, daytime and nighttime blood pressure levels were found to decrease significantly. This decrease in blood pressure may also reduce the likelihood of cardiovascular complications.

The apneas and hypopneas associated with obstructive sleep apnea decrease oxygen levels and increase carbon dioxide levels in the blood. As these levels become more extreme, sufferers begin to struggle for air - in essence suffocating — which causes them to wake up briefly and start breathing again. During each apnea, the stress on the body leads to an increase or irregularity of the heart rate and increased blood pressure. According to recent medical research, the stress caused by these irregular apneas may increase the risk for developing high blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmias and heart failure. In fact, according to a 2003 study in The New England Journal of Medicine, OSA sufferers have significantly increased odds of having heart failure.

People with obstructive sleep apnea often feel very sleepy during the day, which has a negative impact on their concentration and daytime performance. Long-term effects of OSA include depression, irritability, sexual dysfunction, learning and memory difficulties, and falling asleep while at work, on the phone or driving. In fact, studies show that sleep deprivation can lower a person's quality of life and increase the risk for accidents.
I do believe that you're very frustrated with all of this, and I empathize with you. But you don't really want to kill someone because you fell asleep at the wheel, do you? It's happened before, and it will happen again.

In addition to all of these things, let's focus on a very real fact: successful xpap therapy makes for better sex. If the idea of dying from sleep apnea just isn't real to you (and that is a very common, normal thought), how about a clear-eyed look at your sex life? You have sleep apnea. Sleep apnea causes sexual dysfunction. If you aren't there now, you will be without xpap therapy. So beyond preventing or healing all of the other things that have been mentioned, think about having a better time in bed, give it a good, serious try and see what happens.

Just as an aside... faking your wife out the way you're doing is no way to treat her. She and your marriage deserve more respect than that. JMO.

What you do, of course, is your choice entirely. Please make the smart one, the courageous one, the only one if you want to live a good, long life. Many, many here have been where you are now. Please let us help.

Marsha

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:15 pm
by DreamStalker
Alright!

If you want love in this thread, this is how you getit.

Sex sells CPAP use because CPAP use gives you back your 20 yearl-old wood every night. The more he uses his CPAP, the more lovin he is gonn'a get. That simple!

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:20 pm
by Zoot
Not trying to be disgusting, but I have woke up with a ummm

errrr


ummmm


"Pee -hard" for the first time in 2-3 years several times since my XPAP therapy. I was so proud.

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:24 pm
by Goofproof
DreamStalker wrote:Alright!

If you want love in this thread, this is how you getit.

Sex sells CPAP use because CPAP use gives you back your 20 yearl-old wood every night. The more he uses his CPAP, the more lovin he is gonn'a get. That simple!
I think I got Termites! Jim

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:44 pm
by Lord Darth Beavis
echo wrote:Of course the ice cream has to be Ben n Jerrys, death by chocolate or clog your arteries caramel with lots of gooey marshmallows (my fave by the way is Phish Food mmmmmmm).

Mmmm, Phish Phood...

Hey, we don't have a drool icon!

Ettilvry, DO NOT give up. I've been almost as frustrated as you are, then, I found a good mask to use. Keep trying, if your DME gives you cr@p, find another one.

If you think the headgear makes you miserable, imagine how you wife would feel, waking up to find you dead, or in the midst of a stroke or heart attack. Trust me, it was that little visual that scared me into continuing to try.

In short, if you love your wife and/or family, continue to wear that uncomfortable getup. Trust me, you do get used to it.

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:54 pm
by goose
Darn echo....Now ya got me thinkin' Ice Cream......
Don't know whether to chose Phish Phood or Cherry Garcia.........
Hmmmmm.........

cheers
goose

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:25 pm
by Songbird
DreamStalker wrote:Sex sells CPAP use because CPAP use gives you back your 20 year-old wood every night. The more he uses his CPAP, the more lovin he is gonn'a get. That simple!
Well, why not? They use sex to sell everything else in the world, why not something that's really worthwhile? To say nothing about the fact that it's true.

Anyway, I don't think it matters. I think you called it right the first time, DreamStalker. Still haven't seen this guy back.

Marsha

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:09 pm
by Barks1
I hope this cry for help is a hoax. If not mmmmmm

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:15 pm
by -SWS
ettilvry@aol.com wrote:CPAP...What a hoax...Invented by people who cannot tolerate snoring..I find the headgear to be intolerable at best...
You have been given some excellent advice and words of wisdom above.

However, what you have described doesn't sound like a CPAP hoax to me. If your doctor had performed any of the following stunts, then I would agree that your experience was probably a CPAP hoax:

1) If your doctor had glued your CPAP machine to a public sidewalk, and then hid to watch
2) If your doctor had filled your CPAP machine with water, and then dropped it off a tall building
3) If your doctor had stuffed your CPAP machine with sneezing powder, and then blessed you with a smile on your way out the door
4) If your doctor had RX'ed a gasoline powered lawnmower engine with CPAP hose and mask
5) If your doctor had loaded your CPAP machine with numbered ping pong balls and told you to dream about winning the lottery
6) If your doctor had suggested interfacing the CPAP hose to the wrong biologic end, while playing this song
7) Or if your doctor sent you to Apria or Lincare for your supplies...

Now THOSE would have been CPAP hoaxes...

If you're truly having problems using CPAP, then please register and allow us the opportunity to help. There's plenty of humor on this site, but there's plenty of serious and expert help regularly made available here as well. Good luck!

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:55 pm
by echo
-SWS wrote:However, what you have described doesn't sound like a CPAP hoax to me. If your doctor had performed any of the following stunts, then I would agree that your experience was probably a CPAP hoax:
<snip snip snip>
[censored]
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Now THOSE would have been CPAP hoaxes...
wooooosh that came right out of nowhere from right field (or is that left field)? Too funny I like #6.
-SWS wrote:If you're truly having problems using CPAP, then please register and allow us the opportunity to help. There's plenty of humor on this site, but there's plenty of serious and expert help regularly made available here as well. Good luck!
Now THAT is the truth. Please come out of hiding and come play with us - we don't bite! (most of us anyway).
goose wrote:Darn echo....Now ya got me thinkin' Ice Cream......
Don't know whether to chose Phish Phood or Cherry Garcia.........
Hmmmmm.........
Cherry Garcia - my second fave
(Am i the only one who can eat a whole tub of B&J's in one sitting without even realizing it??? Stuff is EVIL i tell you, it's the work of the devil)

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:55 pm
by goose
echo wrote: Cherry Garcia - my second fave
(Am i the only one who can eat a whole tub of B&J's in one sitting without even realizing it??? Stuff is EVIL i tell you, it's the work of the devil)
Only one tub????

cheers
goose

Re: cpap hoax

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:10 pm
by echo
goose wrote:
echo wrote: Cherry Garcia - my second fave
(Am i the only one who can eat a whole tub of B&J's in one sitting without even realizing it??? Stuff is EVIL i tell you, it's the work of the devil)
Only one tub????

cheers
goose
That's cause I can only bring myself to buy one tub at a time. I pay 6 euro here for a tub, isn't that crazy?? With the current exchange rate, that's $7.50 .... Those american cows must sure be damn special