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Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:34 am
by roster
Elderly Sleep Apnea Sufferers May Live Longer
• Healthy Sleep News • Sep 15, 2008
New research results suggest that sleep apnea – which has often been linked to increased rates of cardiovascular morbidity and mortality – may actually contribute to higher survival rates in the elderly. The findings by Technion-Israel Institute of Technology researchers were presented last Thursday at the bi-annual European Sleep Research Society Congress in Glasgow, Scotland.
Led by Prof. Peretz Lavie of the Faculty of Medicine, the study was conducted over a 4.5-year period, with researchers comparing mortality rates among elderly subjects diagnosed with sleep apnea to those of the elderly in the general population. Results were divided by to age, sex, and ethnic origin.
When mortality rates of 611 elderly patients with “light or no” sleep apnea, “moderate” sleep apnea, and “severe” sleep apnea were compared with the general population, those suffering from moderate sleep apnea had a mortality rate one-third of that of the general population. And mortality rates for the elderly with no sleep apnea, light sleep apnea and severe sleep apnea were on par with those of the general populace.
“These findings, when combined with new findings in scientific literature of the adaptive influences of intermittent hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in various clinical models, strengthens our hypothesis that sleep apnea activates defense mechanisms among the elderly that provide them with survival advantage,” said Lavie.
Although sleep apnea is more prevalent among the elderly than among the young and middle-aged, the medical implications among the elderly are still not well known.
Affecting 10 percent of men and five percent of women, sleep apnea has been found to constitute a significant risk for cardiovascular morbidity and mortality. The findings from many studies – including some conducted at the Technion – show patients with sleep apnea are at a higher risk for mortality, particularly if they are overweight.
The research was conducted in the Lloyd Rigler Laboratory for Sleep Apnea Research at the Technion Faculty of Medicine.
The Technion-Israel Institute of Technology is Israel’s leading science and technology university. Home to the country’s winners of the Nobel Prize in science, it commands a worldwide reputation for its pioneering work in nanotechnology, computer science, biotechnology, water-resource management, materials engineering, aerospace and medicine. The majority of the founders and managers of Israel’s high-tech companies are alumni. Based in New York City, the American Technion Society (ATS) is the leading American organization supporting higher education in Israel, with 22 offices around the country.
Source: American Technion Society
http://sleep.health.am/sleep/more/elder ... ve-longer/
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:15 am
by marshaeb
rooster wrote:“These findings, when combined with new findings in scientific literature of the adaptive influences of intermittent hypoxia (lack of oxygen) in various clinical models, strengthens our hypothesis that sleep apnea activates defense mechanisms among the elderly that provide them with survival advantage,” said Lavie.
Rooster, I've developed enough defense mechanisms to last me well into the next century.... don't think I need to add any. I'll keep my machine, thanks.
(interesting article )
Marsha
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:43 am
by OutaSync
My mom snores like a freight train and falls asleep whever she is siting down for more than a few minutes. I'm sure she has sleep apnea, but her claim to fame is that she has never been to a doctor. She turned 85 on Saturday and still holds 3 volunteer jobs that keep her going from 6:am to 9 pm. She walks everywhere she goes. Her 1988 Honda Civic has about 5000 miles on it. Hmmmmm
Bev
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:52 am
by ozij
Interpretation:
Among those who managed to survive severe sleep apneas an live to an elderly age, the mortality rate is lower than it is for those who were never challenged by the disease at a younger age. It is also much lower than it is for those who died of OSA complications before having grown elderly - they are simply dead.
Simply put:
you have to reach an elderly age before sleep apnea affects your mortality at that age., and in one of his letters, Lavie defines elderly as age 70 to 100. IF YOU HAVEN'T DIED of SEVERE UNTREATED APNEA BY THE AGE 70, YOU MUST BE PRETTY RESELIENT.
http://err.ersjournals.com/cgi/content/ ... 6/203#SEC9
Mortality in sleep apnoea syndrome: a review of the evidence
P. Lavie
A large number of studies demonstrated a surprising age-related decline in the risk of mortality in sleep apnoea patients. This finding is unexpected as patients with severely disordered breathing in sleep have additional risk factors, such as obesity and cardiovascular diseases, which can be expected to greatly exacerbate their risk of mortality [40] by acting synergistically with the apnoeas. Furthermore, most studies did not show any effect of sleep apnoea on mortality in the elderly. It is possible that the age-related decline in relative mortality reflects methodological weaknesses of the studies, such as referral bias of performing diagnostic sleep recordings in younger sleep patients who were at a greater risk of death than the older patients, or the occurrence of more severe sleep apnoea in younger patients. It is also possible that there are differences in compliance with treatment between older than younger patients. It cannot be excluded, however, that the age decline in relative mortality reflects successful adaptation to the nightly apnoeic events by an as yet unknown mechanism [41]. Further studies are needed to verify this exciting possibility. Whatever the explanation for this observation, it implies that diagnosis and treatment of sleep should be carried out at the youngest age possible. Likewise, further studies are indeed in order to determine the clinical significance of the occurrence of apnoeas in the elderly.
In conclusion, mortality studies of sleep apnoea syndrome have generally shown that severe sleep apnoea constitutes an important mortality risk that can be reduced by proper treatment. Moreover, in view of the higher mortality risks in younger patients, diagnosis and treatment of the syndrome should be carried out at the earliest age possible.
(added emphasis mine)
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abs ... 53/19/2034
From the New England Journal of Medicine:
Conclusions The obstructive sleep apnea syndrome significantly increases the risk of stroke or death from any cause, and the increase is independent of other risk factors, including hypertension.
You know, Rooster, I'd seriously consider changing that subject heading.
O.
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:43 am
by packitin
I'm 70 myself, but I don't consider myself elderly. If you think I am, come down here to Va. and I'll race you. (either on bicycle or on foot). The whole secret to this thing is HOW one ages. Stay active, both in mind and in body. That's the secret. When I was diagnosed with apnea, I was ready for a battle, and its still going on. I'm determined not to let it stop me from continuing my lifestyle.
thanks,
Jay
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:01 am
by birdshell
This recalls something that I heard this weekend. Our local PBS stations are doing pledge drives, and there was one offering called "Change Your Brain, Change Your Life" presented by a psychiatrist, Daniel G. Amen, MD.
He said that there was early research showing that cigarette smokers had a lower incidence of Alzheimer's Disease. The conclusion seems to be that cigarette smoking prevents Alzheimer's.
Yep, it does: the smokers tend to die before they REACH the age for Alzheimer's Disease to develop.
This just proves that there is a tendency for some well-intentioned research to be a little isolated from the rest of the world, IMHO.
Further, there is always the chance of an error (usually 1 in 1000 for medical research). If there is an error, we may never know that there is; and that chance is basically an acceptable risk. IOW, there is always a risk in the practice of medicine. The overriding benefit is very compelling, though.
So, if there is a benefit to discontinuing CPAP use, then please consider the place of the research and results/conclusion in the grand scheme of things!
Karen,
Confirmed hosehead...till something better is developed
P.S. The PBS program is not without controversy: Ombudsman Discussion of Non-PBS Produced Programs Shown on PBS
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:08 am
by marshaeb
Actually, there's only one cause of death.... the heart ceases to beat. All the rest is just the journey there.
What Abe said (below).
Marsha
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:15 am
by Babette
Karen, thanks so much for that link. My Mom and I were both impressed with Dr. Amen's show and she bought the whole package. However, she hasn't viewed it, and I suspect she is beginning to suspect it's legitimacy. I will forward her this link.
While I was taken in by Amen, I have been distressed by the "infomercial" quality of PBS lately. This is a good read. Thank you so much for posting it!
Cheers,
Barbara
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:57 am
by Goofproof
That explains the saying, "What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger". Proof positive if you spend enough money on grants you can get any result. Does no XPAP use make you live longer, or does it just make it seem like it was longer? Maybe that explains, that crabby old guy down the road. Jim
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:01 am
by birdshell
You are VERY welcome, Barbara...if in fact, that IS your real name...LOL.
Seriously, though: I don't know if the information in that program was accurate or not, but I am sure that it pre-empted my favorite Saturday PBS shows, i.e., Ask This Old House,
, This Old House, America's Test Kitchen, etc. [If their programming IS so great, why do they always have to show these "special" shows during pledge times?]
Karen,
Who thankfully had a wedding to attend this past Saturday
P.S. Jim, I do believe after having taken so MANY statistics classes, figures do not lie. It is rather like the "GIGO" principle for computer programming: garbage in, garbage out. The DESIGN is most of the problem. See? Just like most of our CPAP problems! 
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:48 am
by freepostg
I'm buying my "Mother-In-Law" a CPAP machine this afternoon.---whether she needs it or not.
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:04 pm
by Babette
I see. You want to kill your MIL. Hmmmm..... I'm really glad I got that backup CPAP machine. Now I know what to recommend to my friend who'se severely elderly mother just keeps hanging in there, despite the fact that she doesn't WANT to be there.... Mom doesn't want to be there, I mean.
LOL,
B.
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:26 pm
by 6PtStar
After I worked so hard to get to where I could use this Da*m thing I am not abot to give it up!!
Jerry
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use
Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:41 am
by Goofproof
birdshell wrote:
You are VERY welcome, Barbara...if in fact, that IS your real name...LOL.
Seriously, though: I don't know if the information in that program was accurate or not, but I am sure that it pre-empted my favorite Saturday PBS shows, i.e., Ask This Old House,
, This Old House, America's Test Kitchen, etc. [If their programming IS so great, why do they always have to show these "special" shows during pledge times?]
Karen,
Who thankfully had a wedding to attend this past Saturday
P.S. Jim, I do believe after having taken so MANY statistics classes, figures do not lie. It is rather like the "GIGO" principle for computer programming: garbage in, garbage out. The DESIGN is most of the problem. See? Just like most of our CPAP problems! 
True, figures don't lie, Figurers do! As Dr. House says, everyone lies! Jim
Re: Want to live longer? Discontinue CPAP Use?
Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:58 pm
by DSM (oseas)
Rooster,
Just saw this very intriguing thread - what a theme
My 1st reaction is - well they may live longer but who wants to live longer with a brain that barely works
I have a counter theory, that many cases of what is usually called dementia (and perhaps some who are labelled with Alzheimers, may well be people with severe untreated apnea who after 20 or so years of depleting their brain, start to lose their memories. I put my own mother clearly in this category. She died a few years back & at the time the staff at the home she was in said she was actually physically quite ok but just one day decided not to eat. At this time she had been well into a period of not remembering who we, her family, were & I believe that in the end she just decided it was all too much and just gave up the will to live. When we used to visit her, she at first would try to hide that she had forgotten our names, then she started forgetting that we were her children. She once asked me if I was her husband (my name is the same as her 1st husband's was). Towards the end she would look at me and say, I know you don't I.
Mother was a champion snorer and could shake the building on just about any night. She had been this way since her 50s & she died at age 87. She was never diagnosed with sleep apnea thus never treated for it.
So I am wondering how many people who are given the blanket designation of suffering dementia are in fact victims of sleep apnea.
DSM (presently oseas)