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It SAYS......Optional Software: SmartCode

I don't know of any other APAP/Auto that does NOT have software available to monitor therapy.

However, this wouldn't be the first time someone sold "vaporware" on promises.

Den


Manufacturer:.......................DeVilbiss
4-20 CM:.............................3-20cm
Pressure Relief on Exhale:.....No
Domestic Voltage-110:..........Yes
International Voltage-220:.....Yes
Battery Option:.....................Yes
Auto Altitude Adjustment:.......Yes
Ramp:.................................Yes
Hour/Session:.......................Yes
Optional Software:.............SmartCode
Leak Compensation:..............Yes
Heated Humidifier:.................IntelliPAP Heated
Passover Humdifier:...............Remstar Passover
CPAP Mode:...........................Yes
Data Card:.............................No
Auto On/Off:..........................Yes
Warranty:...............................3 Years
Weight:..................................2.75 lbs
Entire Weight:..........................6.1 lbs
Entire Size:..............................4.2” x 6.5” x 6.9”
Entire Size Package:.................7.25" X 11.25" X 9.5"
Manuals Included:....................Yes
Sound Level:............................26dBA

I doubt very much you can "fake" out the machine holding your breathe for 20 seconds, everyone tries that but you are only faking out yourself.

The machine looks for patterns and may look back at the prior 20 or more breaths to determine an event needs a response.

I would leave the machine at 6.5 Minimum and set Maximum to 20. Make SURE it is in the Auto mode and sleep with it. The last thing you want to feel is the machine responding with pressure. Set it and sleep with it go by how you feel.

They do have software available for it but I think it is cloud computing, think they show a modem available for it so it should have serial access. Would be nice if cpap.com would get a bit more clearer on it, they may sell more machines if they did.

If I was selling these machines, I'd have pictures of the LCD display showing you exactly what you get with all the different machines, if it had software available for reporting, I'd have sample reports available then let the customers decide what they wanted. It is not like you can return one of these machines.

[quote="ww"]The Intellipap Auto is NOT a data capable machine and has no software with it.

It has been brilliantly marketed (as a quiet machine-which is debatable), but they forgot to consult the engineers and give proper readouts to the patients or allow their patients to be able to buy the software. All you can depend on is how you feel!

[quote="MinhTuanDo"][quote="ww"]The Intellipap Auto is NOT a data capable machine and has no software with it.

It has been brilliantly marketed (as a quiet machine-which is debatable), but they forgot to consult the engineers and give proper readouts to the patients or allow their patients to be able to buy the software. All you can depend on is how you feel!

[quote="Snoredog"][quote="MinhTuanDo"][quote="ww"]The Intellipap Auto is NOT a data capable machine and has no software with it.

It has been brilliantly marketed (as a quiet machine-which is debatable), but they forgot to consult the engineers and give proper readouts to the patients or allow their patients to be able to buy the software. All you can depend on is how you feel!

Snoredog wrote:I doubt very much you can "fake" out the machine holding your breathe for 20 seconds, everyone tries that but you are only faking out yourself.

The machine looks for patterns and may look back at the prior 20 or more breaths to determine an event needs a response.

I would leave the machine at 6.5 Minimum and set Maximum to 20. Make SURE it is in the Auto mode and sleep with it. The last thing you want to feel is the machine responding with pressure. Set it and sleep with it go by how you feel.

They do have software available for it but I think it is cloud computing, think they show a modem available for it so it should have serial access. Would be nice if cpap.com would get a bit more clearer on it, they may sell more machines if they did.

If I was selling these machines, I'd have pictures of the LCD display showing you exactly what you get with all the different machines, if it had software available for reporting, I'd have sample reports available then let the customers decide what they wanted. It is not like you can return one of these machines.

Just a thought maybe if everyone would withhold buying a machine with "Vaporware Software" the company would actually write some. If you can't buy it the way you want and need it, why would you buy it at all. Jim

Sorry for the bad news. The engineers did NOT provide data on the readout screen and the software simply does not exist. If you are getting an AHI or AOI readout on your screen, let all of us know how you have done it! Marketing at it's best and Engineering at it's worst! They hyped the sound level and forgot the therapy data.

A few insurance companies are only paying for data capable CPAP machines, so maybe someone is getting the word.

When you lower the apnea percent from 10 to 5, then you are reading all hypopneas as apneas. That is an invalid solution. Don't play around with settings until you have a better understanding of how the machine works and the affect on your therapy.

Goofproof wrote:
Just a thought maybe if everyone would withhold buying a machine with "Vaporware Software" the company would actually write some. If you can't buy it the way you want and need it, why would you buy it at all. Jim

yep, that is probably the thing to do, they have data download for doctors if you add their modem thingie it is only like $235-$300 for the modem (go figure). It is too bad they shot themselves in the head with the display and software, could have been a pretty good machine.

As for sound levels, that is a misnomer at 26dB, that is meaningless without any distance given or sampling type. At what pressure? 3 cm or 10cm? Right now my 420e is the quietest machine I have ever owned and used and I've owned a bunch of them.

They say the Sandman machine is quiet too, but you don't know that until you have it on your night stand using it. Its software is pretty much vaporware also, they do have a USB card reader but you sure don't see much on the reports.

Why can't they just put a USB port on the machine and let you connect it like a printer and puke out a report in simple text. You want graphs you import it in Excel or something.

One of these days someone is going to come out with a machine based upon common sense and blow all these other proprietary machines out of the water.
We'll be able to buy it at Wally's World right next to Almond Joys as we check out.

ww wrote:When you lower the apnea percent from 10 to 5, then you are reading all hypopneas as apneas. That is an invalid solution. Don't play around with settings until you have a better understanding of how the machine works and the affect on your therapy.

Hi ww, could you please explain how by changing apnea percent from 10 to 5, I read hyponeas as apneas? Thanks!

Hi SnoreDog, I think when they pulish noise figure, it's all at 10 cm and it's according to some ISO that they all agree together

Normal definitions most machines use are 10 sec not breathing for apneas and 5 sec for hypopneas. I also believe you cannot reliably fake out the machine. The algorithms I have seen monitor the wave shape as well as the air flow. Just out of curiosity, how do you know how many apneas and hypopneas you had in a night?

ww wrote:Normal definitions most machines use are 10 sec not breathing for apneas and 5 sec for hypopneas. I also believe you cannot reliably fake out the machine. The algorithms I have seen monitor the wave shape as well as the air flow. Just out of curiosity, how do you know how many apneas and hypopneas you had in a night?

Um Apnea is cessation of flow. Machine's algorithm may use a flow value like 80-100% to compensate for response time. But an apnea is no flow.

Hypopnea is classified as 50% reduction in flow lasting >10 seconds in duration with an associated drop of SAO2 of at least 3%. Since the machine cannot detect that drop in oxygen without an integrated pulse oximeter it has to go by the reduction in flow and the 10 second duration. Some machines might modify that 50% qualification to 40% or less but again that is to compensate for the machine's algorithm in quantifying the event.

As for the guy faking out his machine? He is all smoke and mirrors and trying to pull someone's chain. Machine does NOT give you that information from the LCD as you mention. He needs to go back to peddling tea pots, I bet he sells them with out the lid

Snoredog wrote:

ww wrote:Normal definitions most machines use are 10 sec not breathing for apneas and 5 sec for hypopneas. I also believe you cannot reliably fake out the machine. The algorithms I have seen monitor the wave shape as well as the air flow. Just out of curiosity, how do you know how many apneas and hypopneas you had in a night?

Um Apnea is cessation of flow. Machine's algorithm may use a flow value like 80-100% to compensate for response time. But an apnea is no flow.

Hypopnea is classified as 50% reduction in flow lasting >10 seconds in duration with an associated drop of SAO2 of at least 3%. Since the machine cannot detect that drop in oxygen without an integrated pulse oximeter it has to go by the reduction in flow and the 10 second duration. Some machines might modify that 50% qualification to 40% or less but again that is to compensate for the machine's algorithm in quantifying the event.

As for the guy faking out his machine? He is all smoke and mirrors and trying to pull someone's chain. Machine does NOT give you that information from the LCD as you mention. He needs to go back to peddling tea pots, I bet he sells them with out the lid

[quote="MinhTuanDo
Hi guys, I am telling it like it is. If you have not tried faking out, then you should. I breath normally for about 20 senconds, then sotp breathing for 10, repeat this for about 5 minutes and I see that the displayed pressure does go up. [/quote]

And playing games with your machine makes you feel soo rested, I got my machine to keep me sleeping deeper and longer, by allowing my airway to remain open while I sleep, keeping my O2 levels up and not stressing my heart uncessarly. That's what works for my and my machine data shows me how well it does the job. Jim

I eventually find out that with factory default, the machine might not treat my apean condition but when I lowered the apnea % from 10 to 5, it does reponse to my "faking out". Have any of you guys actually tried this faking out process? Thanks!

If you means you can tell your machine to register apneas based on a shorter time period - then that's the first machine I've heard of theat lets you do it. I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying its a first for me.

What you are doing is saying: "Hey, look at me I can cycle faster that the speed limit on the is street!" And achieving that by changing the limit from 40 to 20. Not sure what you achieve by that.

"Like it is" is the way Apnea, Hypopnea etc. are defined buy the medical community so that everyone know exactly what is meant when someone says "Apnea". A ping pong ball is a ball too, but that doesn't you can win the Wimbledon championship with it.

And you won't win the Tour de France by finding a great shortcut around the mountains either.

O.