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I didn’t have time to go through entire post, it’s too long. But it’s seems to me we are criticizing something we didn’t see and read. Have anyone here actually bought this E-book?

Sergey45 wrote:I didn’t have time to go through entire post, it’s too long. But it’s seems to me we are criticizing something we didn’t see and read. Have anyone here actually bought this E-book?

Good point Sergey, though I could comment on the irony of you not wasting time (time = money) going through the entire post then asking why we dont spend money and read through his book before we criticize Know what ya mean anyhow so not picking at ya!

I offered him a contra deal for one of my E-books but he never came back sadly.

Sergey45, please don't take offense at my ensuing opinion. You, my friend, have contributed very positive things to our sleep apnea community already. Good heart. Good contributions.

Rich, on the other hand, ethically has the onus of proof here. He has the onus of proof simply because untreated apnea will kill by the thousands. So Rich has a web domain that he created in October of 2007. And he has yet to cite a single case study supported by a credible member of the medical community. Note what an easy task one proper medical case study would be for Rich to submit compared to a more difficult population-based study with a peer-reviewed methodology.

Improperly treated apnea can be worse than untreated apnea. Has anybody looked at the only exercise he uses to demonstrate his apnea cure? Does anybody see any similarity between building up those neck muscle groups with exercises building up the same neck muscle groups typically employed by American football players? The medical literature is replete with correlation between obstructive apnea and large-necked American football players. The medical literature is replete with correlation between obstructive apnea and large neck diameter regardless of gender, profession, or athletic affiliation.

Despite the onus of public safety being placed on Rich, the only qualification he has put forth for his sleep apnea cure is Mensa membership. Rich's web site, mysleepapneacure.com is just replete with run-on sentences and grammatical errors. When we type extemporaneously on this message board, we expect and are allowed plenty of mistakes. But when I look at Rich's formally prepared text on his web site two observations stand out 1) the observation that next to no effort was put forth formally composing text becoming of any Mensa member, and 2) the observation that no effort was put forth to garner medical proof with preeminent public health and safety in mind.

So that leads me to question why anybody with a groundbreaking medical breakthrough would impose unproven and thus potentially injurious guesswork on the general public at only $20 a pop---let alone with virtually no effort commensurate with how absolutely profound the proposed scope and scale of human lives affected would be. Then I'm reminded that sociopathic behavior runs at right around 3% according to some credible scientific estimates. And when that kind of behavior inevitably crops up on the Internet pursuant profit, don't expect to see any effort whatsoever put forth toward the safety and welfare of the public.

Just my opinion . . .

I think what SWS just wrote is worth way more than $20, and we all got to read it for free--including GetRich90210.

So I suggest that GetRich send SWS the exercises for free and then write it off, for tax purposes, as business-model research.

jnk

Allow me to condense the thread for you Sergey.

Rich - "PSSST (flashes the inside of his coat where a range of shiny PDF docs are arranged) 20 quid guv, thats all it takes to cure what ails ya"

US - "Well, our investigations suggest that this may not be so, but tell us more"....Well ok, I said "PSST wanna buy a cheap koala?"

Rich - "Yoose are orl gonna die without this, screw you!"

US - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

As a member of Mensa, I can tell you unequivocally that such membership alone does NOT qualify someone to find a CURE for OSA. As a matter of fact, my husband and both my children are also Mensa members and all of us but my husband have OSA. Perhaps that indicates that 3 out of 4 members of Mensa have OSA. Do I need to document that further? I could poll the local membership group to see what results I get.

Actually - being a member of Mensa only means that you achieved a score on a qualifying IQ test (not that one online) or some other measure that places you more than 2 standard deviations above the norm in IQ. Not that big a deal. We are all 2 standard deviations from the norm in some area, if not IQ. For example, those of us who are overweight might be those 2 standard deviations above the norm for weight. See how easy it is? Then there is shoe size, bank balance, oh, the list goes on. You can also measure below the norm, but perhaps we should not go there.

Well, as a person who’s familiar with internet marketing I know what is behind all those ‘cure-easy-fast-forever’ E-books for 20 dollars. In most cases nothing. Well, not exactly nothing, most likely it will contain some exercises and stuff.
But as a person with OSA I am extremely curious, and I am willing to try anything (if it’s reasonable) to cure this thing. And with this E-book the issue even not about 20 dollars. Local DME ripped me off for much more many times without even been really helpful.
Anyway, I have a proposition here for all who is curious.
I am willing to spend 1 dollar for this E-book. All we need now – 19 more people who is willing to contribute $1 each. Then one of us will download this E-book and distribute copy to others. If anyone interested please PM me or just drop couple o words here.

rubberchimp wrote:<snip>

Anyone who's interested in adding some exercises to their treatment should go and check out the 12 free ones you can find in this leaflet from South Devon Healthcare:

http://www.sdhct.nhs.uk/patientCare/pil/23558.pdf

(There's plenty of other free & credible sources of exercises out there.. I just posted this one 'cause it brings many of the exercises I've found together in one document.)

Good luck!

Sergey45, I don't know if any of the above free exercises are the same as that ones that he's charging for, but it might be something to check out. Since you didn't read the whole thread (and at this point, who could blame you ) I thought I'd post the link again.

Pam

danmc wrote:Allow me to condense the thread for you Sergey.

Rich - "PSSST (flashes the inside of his coat where a range of shiny PDF docs are arranged) 20 quid guv, thats all it takes to cure what ails ya"

US - "Well, our investigations suggest that this may not be so, but tell us more"....Well ok, I said "PSST wanna buy a cheap koala?"

Rich - "Yoose are orl gonna die without this, screw you!"

US - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

dan,
i quote the above post, but they ALL qualify for:

ROTFLMAO!!!

that's quite a wit you have there, mate

Sergey45 wrote:But as a person with OSA I am extremely curious, and I am willing to try anything (if it’s reasonable) to cure this thing.

Rich's business plan was probably counting on large numbers of hope, desperation, and curiosity.

Another question that comes to mind is exactly which of these two was created first: the miracle cure or the concept of a web site with a $20 cure.

Sergey45,

I asked him repeatedly for information related to proof, at least proof of his own cure and that of the six testimonials. There is none. I asked him here but I also asked him in a private email with very conciliatory tones.

By the way, his money back gaurentee is only for 2 months. After that you don't get your money back. This is because he is working with paypal and doesn't know how to get it back to you after that.

crossfit wrote: This is because he is working with paypal and doesn't know how to get it back to you after that.

Now there's an easily stumped Mensa member.

And yet he was brilliant enough to create a ten-minute miracle cure the rest of science utterly failed to produce. I guess genius comes in fits and spurts that way. Huh?

Hmm, that makes one wonder if the Mensa part is as likely as his cure for OSA.

crossfit wrote:I went back again to look at those testimonials. Besides not snoring, or "snoring less" in one case, the other sign of health people state is that they are dreaming. It is possible to dream (rem stage sleep) while having sleep apnea. The dreams tend to be more chaotic and fragmented but humans often try to make meaning out of them and will connect the images in their mind and assume they have been dreaming for hours when it was only moments at a time. Reporting dreams does not imply healthy sleep architecture. It does mean you have some REM sleep. It does not mean you have the three to five REM phases along with the stage three and four deep sleep that a healthy person has nightly.

I had dreams while succumbing to the onset of SA, most likely due to the neuromuscular problems I have in my neck. Want to hear about them?

The first one was that I was climbing up a ladder, and the ladder slipped away, giving me time only to grab onto the eaves of the roof of the house I was at. I hung there forever it seemed, my arms hurting more and more. Then my shoulders, and I knew I couldn't hang there much longer, big, big drop, where I would shurely kill myself. When I let go in my dream and fell, I woke up to the worst pain and numbness imaginable in my arms and shoulders. Another dream was when I was having a lot of muscle spasms in the neck, face and scalp. I dreamt some big burly guy had his hans wrapped around my head and it felt like my eyeballs were about to pop out the pressure was so bad. So when the eyes were about to pop I woke up and was in a full blown episode of muscle spasms throughout, couldn't hardly breath, move the arms or get out of bed to get meds. Mine for a long time were just about my pain.
Lee

Sergey, for $20, I'd be sorely tempted to buy it, and just post whatever PDF he's gonna send me on my website and link it to here.

I may still do that. Or at least compare it to the free exercises link online and post THAT info.

Cheers,
B.