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If it is a conspiracy, I just know that Bush crowd is behind it !!!

Back to the original thread, part of the reason may be because the newly diagnosed/treated CPAPper feels so great once they finally get some decent sleep they want to share how they feel with others, and are almost hypersensitive to the symptoms they used to have and they now see in others. Basically, they want to "share the love", bring relief to any around them who might be suffering as they were. I know my dad had it, and I am almost certain one or more of my sisters do.

Regarding the weight issue, to say that obesity is the cause of OSA is the same as stating with all confidence and authority that the egg did indeed come before the chicken. It is much easier and more convienent to have the attitude that these silly fat people should just eat some salads and buy a treadmill and get over themselves, and then they could get rid of their CPAPs. It doesn't work that way. Speaking for myself, the lack of sleep and interrupted sleep and poor quality sleep I have had for 20+ years left me drained of energy and barely able to function, so I regularly turned to snacks and comfort food to get me back to sleep or through the day. Now in addition to the weight I have years of bad eating habits to overcome. But with successful therapy I see now that they can be overcome, and I believe they will be, not because of snarky comments about weight but because CPAP therapy will make it possible. And if that makes me or anyone else want to tell others about how much good its done for me, I hope anyone who does not like it can find it in their hearts to forgive.

Sorry Eric. That dog still ain't huntin'!!!!!

We get what we ask for (demand). I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but to assume that obesity is a vast conspiracy by corporate restaurants to make us all fat is laughable!!!! They'd be killing off their own cash cow.....

They give us what we demand.
You want fries with that, Mr.?? NO!!!!! Did I ask for fries???
You wanna super-size that, Mr.?? NO!!!!! Did I ask for super size????

Doesn't it drive you nuts when you see some fat kid on the news sucking down fries like there's no tomorrow??? Where's mom or dad??? Apparently no understanding of the word "NO"......

When I first got diagnosed with diabetes, my RN wife told me that when I go out to eat, ask for the doggy bag straight up. Take half what they bring to the table and put it in the bag. Eat the rest.

We get double or triple portions because that's what we demand!!! If we pay $30 for a steak dinner we expect a huge amount of food -- so that's what we get.....Realistically, nobody needs more than a 6oz. steak, but just let a restaurant bring out a 6oz. steak!!!! Yeah right!!!!!
It has nothing to do with need. It's totally about want!!!!
We have a severe problem in this country with the difference between want and need!!!!

As I said earlier, obesity is a very serious problem. You'll never hear me argue against that!!!! But just because you're fat doesn't mean you have OSA, nor does having OSA mean you're fat....

OSA is more likely to cause obesity than vice versa......Check out Den's link.....
So in my estimation, that dog is still lookin' for somethin' to chase......

cheers
goose

BarryKaraoke wrote:WHOA WHOA WHOA!


STOP the presses.


That is NOT the picture I posted.


I would like to sincerely apologize. It was not my intention to post such obvious pornography, Obviously the picture I linked to was changed.

The actual picture was entitled conspiracy and was simply a man in a "tin foil hat" in response to the allegation that CPAP manufactures and the medical community WANT us all to be fat with OSA.

Wow...a silly attempt at humor gone horribly wrong.

jeez barry, that sucks...i hate when that happens, LOL
thanks for the explanation

It's because nature made a bad design!!

Well Barry, I must have been asleep at the wheel. I seem to be the only one that missed your gaffe .
But that's ok, it doesn't sound like I missed much......I know of the picture you meant to show......

Betcha won't do that again!!!

take care
cheers
goose

goose wrote:Betcha won't do that again!!!

You can bet on it!

I had a rude awakening about increasing portion sizes several years ago when packing up Mom's apartment and ran into a bunch of tupperware type items. One was a stack of round flat small containers. Some of you already know where I'm going with this. I had this flashback to my youth of Mom pressing hamburger patties in these little things and freezing them. They were about the size of what is now offered on the kiddie menu or the $1 menu at popular chains, and that was before cooking. And Dad never complained!

MrGrumpy wrote:
Check out this government website that compares serving sizes now and twenty years ago:

http://hp2010.nhlbihin.net/oei_ss/PDII/ ... df/PD2.pdf

The truth hurts...

Eric

Hey Eric, I did check out that site. I don't want to go back twenty years.

A pizza serving is 500 calories. I would need to eat 6 times every day. More on days I exercise.

A Caesar chicken salad is 390 calories. I would be hungry again before the wait person brought my credit card receipt. In the photo, today's Caesar chicken salad looks healthier - they have added tomato and onion so it is a variant of Caesar.

Open a restaurant serving small portions for the good of humanity? It will become insolvent quickly.

Wow Rooster -- that sure seems like a lot to me....
Since I got diabetes I've pretty much limited my calorie intake to 350 for breakfast, 450 for lunch and a whopping 550 for dinner and allow myself 2 snacks of about 250 each....I do between 1800 and 2100 a day, but that's down from a "non-counting" typical "guy" diet of 3300-3700 per day.....Along with the calorie count I limit carbs to 60 per meal (4 portions of carb per meal) and 15 per snack....

By cutting my portions to that level I lost 30 lbs. in about 2 months and my blood glucose levels are very good and steady!!!!

I need to convince myself to get off my dead a** and do some exercise and lose the other 30 I need to lose....
I'm certainly not obese, but I can stand to lose a few more lbs.....If I got down to my "ideal" I'd look anorexic!!!

cheers
goose

goose wrote:...... I've pretty much limited my calorie intake to 350 for breakfast, 450 for lunch and a whopping 550 for dinner and allow myself 2 snacks of about 250 each....I do between 1800 and 2100 a day, but that's down from a "non-counting" typical "guy" diet of 3300-3700 per day........

I don't count closely, but I am probably averaging over 3000 calories per day and more on days where I am active outdoors or working out at the gym. At 6 feet and 170 lbs. everyone considers me slim. Many of my associates seem to eat less than me yet they are considerably overweight. Why?

I always eat a big breakfast of at least two eggs, olive oil, shredded wheat, skim milk and orange juice. A good breakfast must be key to keeping weight down??

On most days I eat a fairly heavy lunch in a restaurant. Often dinner is my smallest meal.

Beyond that my friends say my metabolism must be great.

I know slim people get diabetes and am a little concerned about that. My "annual" physical is scheduled for April. It has been 28 months since I had one.

I read somewhere that 80% of your daily insulin needs are produced during stages 3 and 4 sleep. All those years I went undiagnosed leave me concerned about eventually developing diabetes.

kteague wrote:Barry - I wouldn't mind so much dying (un)peacefully in my sleep from OSA. It's the collateral damage I live with that's rough. But, like you, I've heard that plenty of times, and in retrospect I wonder.

me either! I just hope I go while having one of those teepee dreams!

now that would be heaven!!

At 6 foot 170lbs. you obviously burn the calories off....I'd sure like to have that kind of metabolism!!!!!
I'm 5'11" and if I weighed 170 I'd look anorexic....If I can get to and keep about 190-200 I'll be very happy!!!! (I played football at 195)....
It's comin'......the first 30 was easy!!! The next little bunch is going to make me get off my butt......It's totally up to me.....

take care
cheers
goose

The more people diagnosed with it, the better the treatments will get due to familiarity of medical professional and of course $$$ involved. Hopefully, someday they will come up with a cure that will make the need for using a machine for the rest of our lives obsolete? I can hope right???
and one more thought, alnhwrd, I am still waiting for the 'feel better on cpap' even though I have been on it for over 10 months. I guess it is because I did not have symptoms, just mentioned wanting to lose some weight at the dr. appt and got a sleep study as my answer....but seems harder than ever to lose weight now. I had lost 30 pounds, but the past couple months, nothing. Opps, sorry got off subject

rooster wrote:

MrGrumpy wrote:
Check out this government website that compares serving sizes now and twenty years ago:

http://hp2010.nhlbihin.net/oei_ss/PDII/ ... df/PD2.pdf

The truth hurts...

Eric

Hey Eric, I did check out that site. I don't want to go back twenty years.

A pizza serving is 500 calories. I would need to eat 6 times every day. More on days I exercise.

A Caesar chicken salad is 390 calories. I would be hungry again before the wait person brought my credit card receipt. In the photo, today's Caesar chicken salad looks healthier - they have added tomato and onion so it is a variant of Caesar.

Open a restaurant serving small portions for the good of humanity? It will become insolvent quickly.

Rooster (and others),

Use this website to determine your necessary calorie instake to maintain your weight, the site also will tell you how many to take in to lose weight for those who need to, which I presume is the majority of OSA sufferers.

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/c ... burned.php

Eric

If you need to lose weight, use this website to determine calories needed per day per your lifestyle and age.

http://www.calorie-count.com/calories/calories-goal.php

Eric